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Been using linux for decades and have never had to do any of this. Even 15 years ago I didn't need to.
by coned88 8y ago
Been using linux for decades and have never had to do any of this. Even 15 years ago I didn't need to.
- DCKing 8y agoNot everybody has the same sensitivity to this 'jarring' component of the Linux desktop, I'm well aware. But I think it would really help the desktop forward if the group that is sensitive to it would be catered to more, like Elementary is trying to do.
- michaelmrose 8y agoWhat in this context does "help the desktop forward" mean?
- DCKing 8y agoIt means making it more enjoyable to use for everyone, both for those that are more and less sensitive to the aesthetics. Everyone is sensitive to it to some degree.
- driverdan 8y agoYou haven't tried running it on a laptop then.
- dnautics 8y agoI have run exclusively Linux and mostly on laptops for 15 years and it's been about 10 years since I have had problems with packages clashing, except for python pip. (I don't use python though)
- andy_ppp 8y agoCan you give us details of laptop and distribution used? Seems hardware is still difficult i.e. trackpads, WiFi, screen resolution, external displays, etc.
- otto2 8y agoLenovo Thinkpads are in general well supported and have hardware that works out of the box. I run Mint on Thinkpad 450s and have no issues at all.
- jammygit 8y agoI find my xps 13 is almost problem free, and runs better than windows. But then again, maybe I'm just used to it. Its hard to say after a year
- dnautics 8y agoxps 13 for me as well.
- dorfsmay 8y agoUbuntu LTS on thinkpad x220, and some Asus and other lenovo for my kids. Works fine.
- gronne 8y agoi had no issues with the hardware on T500, t460s, 230x, 270x.
- keithpeter 8y agoThinkpads and Dell Latitude series (5xxx something). Currently Thinkpad X220 and L440. Wifi non-free drivers but in most distros, trackpad on L440 seems to recognise multiple finger use for scrolling &c. I admit that I tend to use at most one external display - projector - and that seems to work, I know that the newer hires external displays pose issues around scaling &c
- Lio 8y agoI’m on an XPS 13 9370. I like the idea of a Thinkpad but I wanted a laptop that came sold with Linux hence the Dell. So far hardware support seems pretty good. Not sure my Ubuntu 18.10 install is getting the most out of the GPU but everything works including Bluetooth audio and suspend. The only issues I have are with the trackpad and the silly keyboard layout. Trackpad: it’s small, a bit twitchy and not sensitive at the edges when moving inwards but is moving outwards. Driver issue I think. Keyboard: who thought it was a good idea to split the left and right keys with PgUp and PgDown? Someone who doesn’t touch type would be my bet. The old layout was better. I think of it as a replacement for an 11” MacBook Air as it’s about the same size but with a 13” screen and a quad-core i7. Oh also, I got a 4K display and that was a mistake. Raw terminal text is tiny and Gnome currently doesn’t mix monitor resolutions very well. So dual screening with a 1440 monitor is not easy. Ordering again I’d get FHD instead.
- peteretep 8y agoDoes it sleep nicely on closing the lid?
- pmarreck 8y agoOK why is MacOS still the ONLY OS that executes this flawlessly and smoothly every single time no matter what is running?
- davestephens 8y agoIt's not?
- gregknicholson 8y agoI've been using macOS at work for a few weeks now, and I'm surprised at how buggy it is. Sometimes it just refuses to wake from sleep, and I don't understand why. I used Linux on an Apple laptop for years and didn't have this problem.
- akvadrako 8y agoIt doesn't work well. I use my 2016 MBP with an external monitor and once a month or so I need to hard reboot it after sleeping because it gets confused and won't display anything on the internal screen.
- ayoisaiah 8y agoIt does everytime on my XPS 13
- berkes 8y agoMy system76, with vanilla Ubuntu LTS does this perfectly for years. As did my thinkpad before this and the thinkpad before that. Always Ubuntu LTS, without big modifications. The last time I had 'sleep' issues was with MySQL crashing when it woke up, and it found the os time changed without its internal clock moving forward. IIRC that was over ten years ago.
- BenjiWiebe 8y agoMy HP Pavilion laptop did this perfectly several years ago, at which point I didn't even know how "lucky" I was that it all worked. Fedora/KDE was the distro.
- coned88 8y agoI don't understand. I run linux on an IBM Thinkpad T40 for the better part of a decade.Then I moved to a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon which also runs Ubuntu fine. IN fact installing linux takes at most 20 min and I am done. Drivers and everything are all automatic. Windows on the other hand can take hours to install from scratch. God forbid you need a service pack or to find a driver that's not easily found anymore. People have a cognitive dissonance about what it takes to run Linux. It's by far much easier than people lead on. Yes if you need to get into the underneath of things then maybe it becomes more difficult. But I don't think that's been part of the story for average users for a long time.
- prab97 8y ago>> Yes if you need to get into the underneath of things then maybe it becomes more difficult. IMO Windows is even more difficult when you want to get into underneath of things. Fiddle with registry settings, services and at times deleting AppData\App folder to get something fixed. At least in case of Linux you get good set of answers to your Google queries, but that is not as good in case of Windows. Also, Windows and the ecosystem of software around it has a huge reliability and performance problem still unsolved. Freezing, crashing are still rampant with Windows 10. If I boot my laptop after a week Windows Update holds me up for at least half an hour. Every update restarts the OS several times.
- jarcane 8y agoThat's because it's a Thinkpad. The T-series had been the Red Hat company issue laptop for years, and has had boatloads of internal support as a result. You're right in that a Thinkpad will mostly work out of the box long as you don't want that Nvidia GPU to work, but everyone else? Good luck. My XPS 15 was a lost cause, losing three quarters of it's battery life under Linux and with countless video problems. And on a desktop? Hah! Roll the dice baby, and keep rolling them with every update, because sooner or later something's going to break. It always does.
- xorcist 8y agoThat XPS laptop of yours probably isn't great with OS X either. Yet nobody blames Apple for that. It's a bit of a double standard. If you want a pain free workhorse, go with something that's supported out of the box. Don't buy that Nvidia GPU if you intend to use it for a Linux desktop, where it is unlikely to be of much use anyway (unless you are one of those CAD people in which case you use what your vendor supports). Personally I settled for Thinkpads many years ago (the T- and X-series, not non-Thinkpads that Lenovo tries to peddle under that brand name) and they haven't given me any trouble yet. Seeing how Windows laptops sometimes doesn't wake from sleep properly makes me suspect that that's not much better tested either. If it boots, ship it.
- jethro_tell 8y agoOr I have? Everyone has a different workflow. I've been linux only for 12 years about. I rubbed the license key off my laptop and when I went to re install and I just couldn't afford it. Been using linux ever since.