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It really is a tragedy that they will never be held to account for their crimes. The victims deserve more.

DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
A tad OT, but I'd note that the issue is also contingent on one's world view. Christianity (the religion with which I'm most familiar) holds that each individual is ultimately held accountable by/to God for his/her behaviour. EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION: I'm not claiming that Christian doctrine is against governments being in instrument of justice. I'm simply pointing out that in Christian doctrine, every individual will also face God's justice after he/she is dead. Which is quite different from saying they will "never" face justice. I have no desire to start a HN flamewar regarding whether or not that Christian doctrine is accurate. Why, then, did I post this comment at all? Because (as I mentioned in another comment), the parent made a claim with a suppressed premise that certain Christianity (and perhaps Judaism, Islam, etc.) doctrines are factually inaccurate. I considered that noteworthy.
- hourislate 8y ago
  So your alright with Genocide?
- forgotmysn 8y ago
  delusions aside, we should still be able to hold our fellow humans accountable.
- happytoexplain 8y ago
  I think many people would take your wording as implying that you and/or Christians prefer there to be no system of justice, or perhaps only justice for reparable crimes. Are you perhaps actually trying to say, "it's unfortunate that there was no justice, but for people who believe that God will judge the accused, that can provide some consolation"?
  - DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
    I'm not a Christian. I posted my comment simply to point out that its parent post was making ideological / world-view assumptions that are far from universally held. I assumed that when someone starts a thread involving metaphysics / ethics, it's reasonable to discuss the post's implicit premises.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    >I think many people would take your wording as implying that you and/or Christians prefer there to be no system of justice, or perhaps only justice for reparable crimes Based on the other comments at this time that's exactly how they took it.
    - DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
      Thanks for the observation. I've tried to edit the original command for clarity.
  - DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
    > Are you perhaps actually trying to say, "it's unfortunate that there was no justice, but for people who believe that God will judge the accused, that can provide some consolation"? I agree with your point that holding such a belief would likely be of some psychological comfort to people who want to see justice done. However, my original post's goal really was to point out that the parent comment implicitly assumed the falsehood of religious beliefs held by much of the worlds' population, and probably some HN readers as well. Perhaps it's a mistake for me to point these things out explicitly, and instead just use downvoting instead.
    - forgotmysn 8y ago
      I think you're getting downvoted because most comments on HN implicitly assume the falsehood of religious beliefs

A tad OT, but I'd note that the issue is also contingent on one's world view. Christianity (the religion with which I'm most familiar) holds that each individual is ultimately held accountable by/to God for his/her behaviour. EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION: I'm not claiming that Christian doctrine is against governments being in instrument of justice. I'm simply pointing out that in Christian doctrine, every individual will also face God's justice after he/she is dead. Which is quite different from saying they will "never" face justice. I have no desire to start a HN flamewar regarding whether or not that Christian doctrine is accurate. Why, then, did I post this comment at all? Because (as I mentioned in another comment), the parent made a claim with a suppressed premise that certain Christianity (and perhaps Judaism, Islam, etc.) doctrines are factually inaccurate. I considered that noteworthy.

hourislate 8y ago
So your alright with Genocide?
forgotmysn 8y ago
delusions aside, we should still be able to hold our fellow humans accountable.
happytoexplain 8y ago
I think many people would take your wording as implying that you and/or Christians prefer there to be no system of justice, or perhaps only justice for reparable crimes. Are you perhaps actually trying to say, "it's unfortunate that there was no justice, but for people who believe that God will judge the accused, that can provide some consolation"?
- DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
  I'm not a Christian. I posted my comment simply to point out that its parent post was making ideological / world-view assumptions that are far from universally held. I assumed that when someone starts a thread involving metaphysics / ethics, it's reasonable to discuss the post's implicit premises.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  >I think many people would take your wording as implying that you and/or Christians prefer there to be no system of justice, or perhaps only justice for reparable crimes Based on the other comments at this time that's exactly how they took it.
  - DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
    Thanks for the observation. I've tried to edit the original command for clarity.
- DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
  > Are you perhaps actually trying to say, "it's unfortunate that there was no justice, but for people who believe that God will judge the accused, that can provide some consolation"? I agree with your point that holding such a belief would likely be of some psychological comfort to people who want to see justice done. However, my original post's goal really was to point out that the parent comment implicitly assumed the falsehood of religious beliefs held by much of the worlds' population, and probably some HN readers as well. Perhaps it's a mistake for me to point these things out explicitly, and instead just use downvoting instead.
  - forgotmysn 8y ago
    I think you're getting downvoted because most comments on HN implicitly assume the falsehood of religious beliefs