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A lot of people don't realize wikileaks had tons of dumps on Russia and conservative US politicians and refuse to accept the information in the progressive leak

by edoo 8y ago

A lot of people don't realize wikileaks had tons of dumps on Russia and conservative US politicians and refuse to accept the information in the progressive leaks due to supposed Russian or conservative involvement. Also as far as I know people don't realize anything wikileaks ever released has been refuted or proven false. There are google DKIM keys on all the legally and morally incriminating emails.

richardknop 8y ago
Just to repeat myself one more time here for those not aware of this since this is the top comment. Wikileaks has almost definitely influenced the result of Kenyan election in 2007 by releasing the Kroll report about vast corruption. Assange even got an Amnesty International award for leaking information then. He was a hero back then but suddenly when the shoe is on the other foot, he's a villain.
- thomasz 8y ago
  He became the villain when he became highly selective with the material he releases, which turned him from being a provider for whistle-blowers to a propagandist.
  - cf498 8y ago
    Wikileaks aims for the best possible exposure of a leak. This influences in what form the information is published and over what timeframe. They dont just dump the entire leak and hope some journalist can be bothered to read it before the next big headline takes the focus away again. This takes a lot of work. Making sure your sources are protected takes a lot of work and sadly, there is only so much attention people spend on leaks.
    - ryanlol 8y ago
      Russia tried just dumping data with DCleaks. Those were a complete failure because of the lack of WL-like media game.
  - yholio 8y ago
    Nonetheless, he's still a journalist even when he does that. Media and free speech can be biased. You might not want to follow and give credence to such outlets, but they still have freedom of speech, else the credibility of everybody is questioned.
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    >he became highly selective with the material he releases That’s a pretty big accusation! Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Why have there never been any leaks with an attached note calling out WL for failure to release?
    - headShrinker 8y ago
      Most people risked their jobs or their lives and freedom to secretly transport stolen docs to Wikileaks. I won’t expect a review complaining about the lack of release. Whether the material released is selective or the material feed to WL is selective the result is Wikileaks release clearly favored one side. Assange is also known to have a proclivity for Russia
      - objektif 8y ago
        Why cant you accept it as it is and appreciate the fact that his work benefits the public? No one cares about your political beliefs.
        headShrinker 8y ago
        > Why cant you accept it as it is I can. But... this isn’t happening in a vacuum and there is context to this situation. While it seems to benefit the public, WL also is aimed at taking particular groups down. The groups being shielded are not “good”. Ultimately “public benefit” is questionable. You don’t know my political beliefs and I made no reference to them...
        objektif 8y ago
        Ok you are right that it seems that eventually “evil”(going further than just “not good”) guys benefited from the leak. But if we prosecute people like Assange what message does it send to potential whistleblowers? You cannot pick and choose what type of information you want to be leaked.
    - pupppet 8y ago
- forgottenpass 8y ago
  If I only paid attention to the mainstream news I would not understand Assage. But I remember when Wikileaks was announced for the first time on slashdot and I read their mission statement. Every time a big leak happens, the news cooks up a new narrative about who Wikileaks is and what their goals and motivations are. And every time it's just something the editor wants to be true. Its a better story for him to be the hero or the villain. But if you frame the actions of what wikileaks said they were going to do (publish verifiable leaks much more indiscriminately than the press), they've been pretty consistent.
ryanlol 8y ago
>A lot of people don't realize wikileaks had tons of dumps on Russia and conservative US politicians and refuse to accept the information in the progressive leaks due to supposed Russian or conservative involvement. Why have zero of these dumps been released with an accompanying note calling out Wikileaks? How do you know what people leak to WL? do you work for WL?
fifnir 8y ago
So prove it to us please? a link or two ?
- edoo 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_WikiLeaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_... Back in the day he was a champion on the progressive side for a while with all the 2nd fake Iraq war stuff and dumping all of Sarah Palin's emails among other things. I might be partially wrong on the Russia claim. There is some Russia stuff but it looks like they did not publish the huge Russia dump they claimed to have in 2010 but supposedly it was released to a Russian newspaper.
auslander 8y ago
> had tons of dumps on Russia If you know it, you must have it. So, please, dump it and publish a magnet link.
- kome 8y ago
  https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/ https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/
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hopefulengineer 8y ago
A russian newspaper was given access to the Russia dump in 2010 and there's no evidence they have conservative info, unless you're able to post a source
- edoo 8y ago
  https://search.wikileaks.org/ https://search.wikileaks.org/ Search for Russia and Republican separately. Tons.
- deleted 8y ago
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rv-de 8y ago
One also has to consider that with regards to his objectionable decisions around 2016 - he had been innocently imprisoned for several years already back then. This takes a mental toll on somebody and will impair clearheadedness.
- ben_w 8y ago
  He ran away from an extradition whose ultimate purpose was to determine if he was guilty or not. Even if he was innocent of the crime which he personally chose to avoid defending himself against in court — and hiding in an embassy until the statute of limitations expires makes me think otherwise — the fact that he definitely skipped bail and the fact that he’s living freely in an embassy not a prison both independently means he’s neither “innocently” nor “imprisoned”.
  - yayana 8y ago
    Finding mentally vulnerable people and putting them in harm's way to stiffle a perceived opponent is standard operating procedure for the CIA. If Sweden is serious about investigating sex crimes against the vulnerable they need to dig in all directions to try to find the networks of foreign spies tasked with projects like putting vulnerble women into groups the Americans don't like and making sure something happens. But they will overlook crimes to protect those allies and follow their playbook to help those allies. So anyone against the Americans would be a fool to deal with the Swedish system if they were entraped only to end up extradited to hell. The latest news doesn't make Assange any worse. It makes it more transparent how sick and worthless the supposed free world is. Just another bunch of kangaroo courts and a thin veneer over secret police working illegally but with impunity to harm the rights of whoever necessary for their "more important" state secrets, aka system of corruption.
    - ben_w 8y ago
      > Finding mentally vulnerable people and putting them in harm's way to stiffle a perceived opponent is standard operating procedure for the CIA. Simultaneously true (IMO) and irrelevant.
GrumpyNl 8y ago
What about all the newspapers who helped verify and documented the files?
admax88q 8y ago
What's is the evidence that they have dumps on Russia or Conservatives that they didn't release? I've heard this claim stated a few times as fact but I haven't actually seen anything yet yo back it up.
tomjen3 8y ago
I have heard people assert the first often enough, I haven't seen any evidence on it.

by edoo 8y ago

richardknop 8y ago

Just to repeat myself one more time here for those not aware of this since this is the top comment. Wikileaks has almost definitely influenced the result of Kenyan election in 2007 by releasing the Kroll report about vast corruption. Assange even got an Amnesty International award for leaking information then. He was a hero back then but suddenly when the shoe is on the other foot, he's a villain.

thomasz 8y ago
He became the villain when he became highly selective with the material he releases, which turned him from being a provider for whistle-blowers to a propagandist.
- cf498 8y ago
  Wikileaks aims for the best possible exposure of a leak. This influences in what form the information is published and over what timeframe. They dont just dump the entire leak and hope some journalist can be bothered to read it before the next big headline takes the focus away again. This takes a lot of work. Making sure your sources are protected takes a lot of work and sadly, there is only so much attention people spend on leaks.
  - ryanlol 8y ago
    Russia tried just dumping data with DCleaks. Those were a complete failure because of the lack of WL-like media game.
- yholio 8y ago
  Nonetheless, he's still a journalist even when he does that. Media and free speech can be biased. You might not want to follow and give credence to such outlets, but they still have freedom of speech, else the credibility of everybody is questioned.
- ryanlol 8y ago
  >he became highly selective with the material he releases That’s a pretty big accusation! Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Why have there never been any leaks with an attached note calling out WL for failure to release?
  - headShrinker 8y ago
    Most people risked their jobs or their lives and freedom to secretly transport stolen docs to Wikileaks. I won’t expect a review complaining about the lack of release. Whether the material released is selective or the material feed to WL is selective the result is Wikileaks release clearly favored one side. Assange is also known to have a proclivity for Russia
    - objektif 8y ago
      Why cant you accept it as it is and appreciate the fact that his work benefits the public? No one cares about your political beliefs.
      - headShrinker 8y ago
        > Why cant you accept it as it is I can. But... this isn’t happening in a vacuum and there is context to this situation. While it seems to benefit the public, WL also is aimed at taking particular groups down. The groups being shielded are not “good”. Ultimately “public benefit” is questionable. You don’t know my political beliefs and I made no reference to them...
        objektif 8y ago
        Ok you are right that it seems that eventually “evil”(going further than just “not good”) guys benefited from the leak. But if we prosecute people like Assange what message does it send to potential whistleblowers? You cannot pick and choose what type of information you want to be leaked.
  - pupppet 8y ago
forgottenpass 8y ago
If I only paid attention to the mainstream news I would not understand Assage. But I remember when Wikileaks was announced for the first time on slashdot and I read their mission statement. Every time a big leak happens, the news cooks up a new narrative about who Wikileaks is and what their goals and motivations are. And every time it's just something the editor wants to be true. Its a better story for him to be the hero or the villain. But if you frame the actions of what wikileaks said they were going to do (publish verifiable leaks much more indiscriminately than the press), they've been pretty consistent.

ryanlol 8y ago

>A lot of people don't realize wikileaks had tons of dumps on Russia and conservative US politicians and refuse to accept the information in the progressive leaks due to supposed Russian or conservative involvement. Why have zero of these dumps been released with an accompanying note calling out Wikileaks? How do you know what people leak to WL? do you work for WL?

fifnir 8y ago

So prove it to us please? a link or two ?

edoo 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_WikiLeaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_material_published_by_... Back in the day he was a champion on the progressive side for a while with all the 2nd fake Iraq war stuff and dumping all of Sarah Palin's emails among other things. I might be partially wrong on the Russia claim. There is some Russia stuff but it looks like they did not publish the huge Russia dump they claimed to have in 2010 but supposedly it was released to a Russian newspaper.

auslander 8y ago

> had tons of dumps on Russia If you know it, you must have it. So, please, dump it and publish a magnet link.

kome 8y ago
https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/ https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]

hopefulengineer 8y ago

A russian newspaper was given access to the Russia dump in 2010 and there's no evidence they have conservative info, unless you're able to post a source

edoo 8y ago
https://search.wikileaks.org/ https://search.wikileaks.org/ Search for Russia and Republican separately. Tons.
deleted 8y ago
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rv-de 8y ago

One also has to consider that with regards to his objectionable decisions around 2016 - he had been innocently imprisoned for several years already back then. This takes a mental toll on somebody and will impair clearheadedness.

ben_w 8y ago
He ran away from an extradition whose ultimate purpose was to determine if he was guilty or not. Even if he was innocent of the crime which he personally chose to avoid defending himself against in court — and hiding in an embassy until the statute of limitations expires makes me think otherwise — the fact that he definitely skipped bail and the fact that he’s living freely in an embassy not a prison both independently means he’s neither “innocently” nor “imprisoned”.
- yayana 8y ago
  Finding mentally vulnerable people and putting them in harm's way to stiffle a perceived opponent is standard operating procedure for the CIA. If Sweden is serious about investigating sex crimes against the vulnerable they need to dig in all directions to try to find the networks of foreign spies tasked with projects like putting vulnerble women into groups the Americans don't like and making sure something happens. But they will overlook crimes to protect those allies and follow their playbook to help those allies. So anyone against the Americans would be a fool to deal with the Swedish system if they were entraped only to end up extradited to hell. The latest news doesn't make Assange any worse. It makes it more transparent how sick and worthless the supposed free world is. Just another bunch of kangaroo courts and a thin veneer over secret police working illegally but with impunity to harm the rights of whoever necessary for their "more important" state secrets, aka system of corruption.
  - ben_w 8y ago
    > Finding mentally vulnerable people and putting them in harm's way to stiffle a perceived opponent is standard operating procedure for the CIA. Simultaneously true (IMO) and irrelevant.

GrumpyNl 8y ago

What about all the newspapers who helped verify and documented the files?

admax88q 8y ago

What's is the evidence that they have dumps on Russia or Conservatives that they didn't release? I've heard this claim stated a few times as fact but I haven't actually seen anything yet yo back it up.

tomjen3 8y ago

I have heard people assert the first often enough, I haven't seen any evidence on it.