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he wholeheartedly received and used information from the Russian GRU in order to help Trump win. and he did this over the course of years. "messenger"? more lik
by kmlx 8y ago
he wholeheartedly received and used information from the Russian GRU in order to help Trump win. and he did this over the course of years.
"messenger"? more like russian asset.
- kmlx 8y agohttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/21/julian-assange-russia-ecuador-embassy-london-secret-escape-plan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/21/julian-assange... "Russian diplomats held secret talks in London last year with people close to Julian Assange to assess whether they could help him flee the UK, the Guardian has learned. A tentative plan was devised that would have seen the WikiLeaks founder smuggled out of Ecuador’s London embassy in a diplomatic vehicle and transported to another country. One ultimate destination, multiple sources have said, was Russia, where Assange would not be at risk of extradition to the US. The plan was abandoned after it was deemed too risky." Russian asset.
- TangoTrotFox 8y agoOne big issue with your conclusion - there is no context. What alternative destinations would you propose? Any US whistle blowers or leakers that manage to gain the ire of the US government itself need to seek refuge in an area that will not bend to US pressure. Given the remarkable scale of influence of the US today that leaves very few places, and even fewer that can provide a comfortable life. Among the top there would be Russia and China.
- BurnGpuBurn 8y agoAnother article with an unnamed source. I don't believe those anymore, there's too much of them and most turn out to be false later.
- puranjay 8y agoI'm not American so I don't claim to understand the politics, but it seems to me that Russia is one of the few countries capable of resisting US pressure, which makes people like Assange and Snowden gravitate towards it. The alternative would be imprisonment or death for them
- metildaa 8y agoEcuador apparently can withstand some American pressure, though it has obviously caused their diplomatic relations to be strained.
- bayesian_horse 8y agoWith the slight problem that there are no Human Rights in Russia and people like Snowden or even Assange then have to be seen as stooges of the Russian government/intelligence agencies. Because, basically, there is no way they can say no if the Russian intelligence really wants them to do something.
- tremon 8y agoThere is no Human Rights, capital or otherwise, in the USA either. Do you think Manning got a fair trial? Do you think the people in Gitmo had rights?
- bayesian_horse 8y agoI do believe Manning got a fair trial. She also got all the medical help she needed for her gender transition. She did violate the law, and quite severely. She also put American soldiers at risk. And she got a pardon. Overall, it didn't go that bad, did it? So yes, I do believe the United States is a lot better regarding Human Rights. Even in Guantanamo bay the prisoners are kept in relatively Human conditions.
- HappySweeney 8y agoWhy do you think they sent those guys to Gitmo in the first place? If human rights were not an issue in the USA, Gitmo wouldn't exist.
- CryptoPunk 8y agoFree speech means free speech. It doesn't mean "free speech unless that speech serves the interest of a foreign intelligence agency".
- clatan 8y agoAn understandable desicion when the US government has been persecuting you for more than a decade.