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Facebook is directly culpable in abetting a genocide level event in Myanmar. Enough said.

shard972 8y ago
And what are we going to do about it? Sanction facebook? Fine them? Shame Zuckerberg into doing more? I'm curious how we could actually make facebook do something to fix the current situation but nothing really seems like it would work short of threatening their existence.
- CaptainZapp 8y ago
  How about regulating the holy bejeezes out of them? This company does not seem capable to either learn or clean up it's act.[1] https://www.fastcompany.com/40547045/a-brief-history-of-mark-zuckerberg-apologizing-or-not-apologizing-for-stuff https://www.fastcompany.com/40547045/a-brief-history-of-mark...
- cityzen 8y ago
  Do you have a Facebook account?
  - dcow 8y ago
    I'll try this again: if 3 other people pledge with me, I'll delete my Facebook account tonight.
  - shard972 8y ago
    Deleted it about 7 years ago if i recall correctly.
ssijak 8y ago
People are, not the tools. There are always tools that could be used for bad acts but people are the once who can deicide how to use them.
- adamnemecek 8y ago
  This is such a meaningless platitude. Let’s start selling nuclear weapons? Hey it’s just a tool!
- andromedavision 8y ago
  Exactly. Going on a tangent here but this is exactly what I tell gun control proponents. Deal with the root cause of the problem and leave gun owners be.
  - jezclaremurugan 8y ago
    This was a lightbulb moment, and I realized the contradictory stance I have - no oversight on social media but I believe in gun control/regulation. People and tools.. and what tools are dangerous enough to be regulated, the thing with social media regulation and censorship is that seems so closely tied with free speech and free market enterprise so any oversight is revolting to me, but given the effect fake news has - I realize it can be as dangerous, if not more, than guns.
    - andromedavision 8y ago
      > This was a lightbulb moment I knew it from the get go. I also know most people here are left leaning but that people haven't really thought about why they take the positions they take. There is a lot of indoctrination. This is by no means an attack on OP or you personally. Survey most people here (HN) without bringing up guns and they will agree with what OP said; people are the problem and not the tools. Bring up the issue of guns and because it is the 'progressive/liberal/democrat' thing to do, guns(tools) become the problem. If we weren't polarized politically and instead took time to think about issues for ourselves, then our convictions would be consistent and hold true across the board. I am a black non-american who absolutely agrees with and loves Trump. I look at the data on economics and what he's done for America and wish more people could see the same and forget about what the media says about him. His policies on immigration are common sense and exactly what I would want for my country; people have to come in the right way and some places have to have more scrutiny than others. That doesn't mean I hate humans but rather that I understand that people are different and some worse than others.
jameslevy 8y ago
What is the best evidence of this? I know that Facebook was used by participants in this, but is their culpability because they didn't do more to stop it, or was it actually something they were doing that actively enabled it? Genuine question, if anyone has more info on this.
- sjg007 8y ago
  If you can't figure this out for yourself then god help you.
- CaptainZapp 8y ago
  Well, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=facebook+genocide+myanmar https://duckduckgo.com/?q=facebook+genocide+myanmar

And what are we going to do about it? Sanction facebook? Fine them? Shame Zuckerberg into doing more? I'm curious how we could actually make facebook do something to fix the current situation but nothing really seems like it would work short of threatening their existence.

CaptainZapp 8y ago
How about regulating the holy bejeezes out of them? This company does not seem capable to either learn or clean up it's act.[1] https://www.fastcompany.com/40547045/a-brief-history-of-mark-zuckerberg-apologizing-or-not-apologizing-for-stuff https://www.fastcompany.com/40547045/a-brief-history-of-mark...
cityzen 8y ago
Do you have a Facebook account?
- dcow 8y ago
  I'll try this again: if 3 other people pledge with me, I'll delete my Facebook account tonight.
- shard972 8y ago
  Deleted it about 7 years ago if i recall correctly.

ssijak 8y ago

People are, not the tools. There are always tools that could be used for bad acts but people are the once who can deicide how to use them.

adamnemecek 8y ago
This is such a meaningless platitude. Let’s start selling nuclear weapons? Hey it’s just a tool!
andromedavision 8y ago
Exactly. Going on a tangent here but this is exactly what I tell gun control proponents. Deal with the root cause of the problem and leave gun owners be.
- jezclaremurugan 8y ago
  This was a lightbulb moment, and I realized the contradictory stance I have - no oversight on social media but I believe in gun control/regulation. People and tools.. and what tools are dangerous enough to be regulated, the thing with social media regulation and censorship is that seems so closely tied with free speech and free market enterprise so any oversight is revolting to me, but given the effect fake news has - I realize it can be as dangerous, if not more, than guns.
  - andromedavision 8y ago
    > This was a lightbulb moment I knew it from the get go. I also know most people here are left leaning but that people haven't really thought about why they take the positions they take. There is a lot of indoctrination. This is by no means an attack on OP or you personally. Survey most people here (HN) without bringing up guns and they will agree with what OP said; people are the problem and not the tools. Bring up the issue of guns and because it is the 'progressive/liberal/democrat' thing to do, guns(tools) become the problem. If we weren't polarized politically and instead took time to think about issues for ourselves, then our convictions would be consistent and hold true across the board. I am a black non-american who absolutely agrees with and loves Trump. I look at the data on economics and what he's done for America and wish more people could see the same and forget about what the media says about him. His policies on immigration are common sense and exactly what I would want for my country; people have to come in the right way and some places have to have more scrutiny than others. That doesn't mean I hate humans but rather that I understand that people are different and some worse than others.

jameslevy 8y ago

What is the best evidence of this? I know that Facebook was used by participants in this, but is their culpability because they didn't do more to stop it, or was it actually something they were doing that actively enabled it? Genuine question, if anyone has more info on this.

sjg007 8y ago
If you can't figure this out for yourself then god help you.
CaptainZapp 8y ago
Well, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=facebook+genocide+myanmar https://duckduckgo.com/?q=facebook+genocide+myanmar