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Well, all you need to do is try it to see for yourself. It takes a week, just eat meat and cobb/greek salad and broiled broccoli and green beans or whatever. Ba

by nonbel 8y ago

Well, all you need to do is try it to see for yourself. It takes a week, just eat meat and cobb/greek salad and broiled broccoli and green beans or whatever. Basically just cut out the grains (+ potatoes/fries, etc) they try to trick you into eating. That is all it takes.

nikolay 8y ago
I've done it, actually, and do it frequently - as an Orthodox Christian, our Nativity Fast just started and we eat beans and lentils, and I lose weight after each fast, and I never feel hungry. Don't fall for the marketing stuff! Eat traditional foods, and you will feel great! I stopped feeling hunger after I eliminated the refined carbs breakfast from my routine, and practice 16-hour IF daily. Initially, I was into the ketotard camp, but my liver paid for the fat overload, and I did not lose stubborn fat - and how could I when I was ingesting copious amounts of it not allowing the mobilization of my own! I started to lose weight with the Orthodox fasts when you have long periods of no dairy, meat, or fish. The cycling between vegan and omnivore diets has been great, and no wonder millions have been practicing it for hundreds and thousands of years! I laugh when I see people wasting so much money on exogenous ketones or fancy fats, which nobody in human history has been eating in such amounts! This is no different than raw kale juice. People make the mistake of not understanding hormesis and that each nutrient (micro or macro) has a range of positive influence on health and any intake outside of that range is detrimental. And that this range is never open on either end! Even small amounts of radiations are beneficial and at the same time - huge amounts of plain water are toxic. The tricky part is that the rage is specific to each person, it depends on the genotype, epigenetic, and many other factors such as climate, location, time in the day and year, and so on. All these diets ignore the most recent scientific discovery - epigenetics! We should eat what we're best adapted to and I'm sure my ancestors did not eat coconut oil, nor limited slow carbs like beans and legumes. On the contrary, they've had a balanced diet, did not avoid fatty meats, but didn't overeat fat either. For sure they didn't have the habit of snacking and didn't eat breakfast, and for sure ate within 6 or 8 hours. And, last, but not least - they didn't sleep as little as I or you do. Sleep length and quality are finally getting attention in the whole puzzle of health! Chronobiology is now getting more and more attention and it goes back to what I said earlier - we should stick to what we're adapted best to... unless we want to sacrifice our lives to influence (not necessarily positively!) the lives of our successors!
- nonbel 8y ago
  > "I've done it, actually, and do it frequently - as an Orthodox Christian, our Nativity Fast just started and we eat beans and lentils, and I lose weight after each fast, and I never feel hungry." I doubt you really feel that comfortable because then why wouldnt you eat like this all the time? Just that you are referring to it as a "fast" tells me you are craving food. If you ate less because you felt satiated, you wouldnt refer to it as a fast. I don't even know what you are talking about regarding overeating fat. My experience is just cut out the grains and sugars and eat whatever else you want. If you crave fat, then you eat it. There is no overeating involved. That is the entire point, if you keep your carbs low enough you do not want to overeat anything. There is no self-control involved, in fact you need to sometimes force yourself to feel like eating for social/etc reasons. There is also no need to purchase "fancy fats", you do probably have to prepare your own food though since sugar is added to everything prepared for you. >"All these diets ignore the most recent scientific discovery - epigenetics!" This is hardly recent, and while I'm sure it has some sort of relationship to a persons optimal diet, no one has any idea what that is.
  - nikolay 8y ago
    You have no idea what you're talking about, honestly. Our family does not use sugar at all. And, no, I don't feel hunger and 90% of what you mean by "hunger" is habitual, not real hunger caused by ghrelin. When we fast, and it's unfortunate that English has such a misrepresenting word, we don't get tempted by meat and dairy. I am not supporting vegetarianism and veganism, on the contrary, but I don't think the meat overeating habits are healthy and the data shows it. For example, upping your growth factors, overloading yourself with iron, eating charred meat is proven to be detrimental to health. Now everybody's lining up to buy bone broth not knowing that bones often accumulate heavy metals like lead and America is polluted with lead, but that's not just all. Anyway, my point was that people should eat quality foods aligned with their genetic and epigenetic profile, use the least possible processing and stick to traditional cooking methods. Don't eat too much carbs, don't eat too much fats, don't eat too much meat - this is the optimal strategy at this point as I've been following diets for nearly 20 years and there's no perfect on except the balanced real-foods one!

by nonbel 8y ago

nikolay 8y ago

I've done it, actually, and do it frequently - as an Orthodox Christian, our Nativity Fast just started and we eat beans and lentils, and I lose weight after each fast, and I never feel hungry. Don't fall for the marketing stuff! Eat traditional foods, and you will feel great! I stopped feeling hunger after I eliminated the refined carbs breakfast from my routine, and practice 16-hour IF daily. Initially, I was into the ketotard camp, but my liver paid for the fat overload, and I did not lose stubborn fat - and how could I when I was ingesting copious amounts of it not allowing the mobilization of my own! I started to lose weight with the Orthodox fasts when you have long periods of no dairy, meat, or fish. The cycling between vegan and omnivore diets has been great, and no wonder millions have been practicing it for hundreds and thousands of years! I laugh when I see people wasting so much money on exogenous ketones or fancy fats, which nobody in human history has been eating in such amounts! This is no different than raw kale juice. People make the mistake of not understanding hormesis and that each nutrient (micro or macro) has a range of positive influence on health and any intake outside of that range is detrimental. And that this range is never open on either end! Even small amounts of radiations are beneficial and at the same time - huge amounts of plain water are toxic. The tricky part is that the rage is specific to each person, it depends on the genotype, epigenetic, and many other factors such as climate, location, time in the day and year, and so on. All these diets ignore the most recent scientific discovery - epigenetics! We should eat what we're best adapted to and I'm sure my ancestors did not eat coconut oil, nor limited slow carbs like beans and legumes. On the contrary, they've had a balanced diet, did not avoid fatty meats, but didn't overeat fat either. For sure they didn't have the habit of snacking and didn't eat breakfast, and for sure ate within 6 or 8 hours. And, last, but not least - they didn't sleep as little as I or you do. Sleep length and quality are finally getting attention in the whole puzzle of health! Chronobiology is now getting more and more attention and it goes back to what I said earlier - we should stick to what we're adapted best to... unless we want to sacrifice our lives to influence (not necessarily positively!) the lives of our successors!

nonbel 8y ago
> "I've done it, actually, and do it frequently - as an Orthodox Christian, our Nativity Fast just started and we eat beans and lentils, and I lose weight after each fast, and I never feel hungry." I doubt you really feel that comfortable because then why wouldnt you eat like this all the time? Just that you are referring to it as a "fast" tells me you are craving food. If you ate less because you felt satiated, you wouldnt refer to it as a fast. I don't even know what you are talking about regarding overeating fat. My experience is just cut out the grains and sugars and eat whatever else you want. If you crave fat, then you eat it. There is no overeating involved. That is the entire point, if you keep your carbs low enough you do not want to overeat anything. There is no self-control involved, in fact you need to sometimes force yourself to feel like eating for social/etc reasons. There is also no need to purchase "fancy fats", you do probably have to prepare your own food though since sugar is added to everything prepared for you. >"All these diets ignore the most recent scientific discovery - epigenetics!" This is hardly recent, and while I'm sure it has some sort of relationship to a persons optimal diet, no one has any idea what that is.
- nikolay 8y ago
  You have no idea what you're talking about, honestly. Our family does not use sugar at all. And, no, I don't feel hunger and 90% of what you mean by "hunger" is habitual, not real hunger caused by ghrelin. When we fast, and it's unfortunate that English has such a misrepresenting word, we don't get tempted by meat and dairy. I am not supporting vegetarianism and veganism, on the contrary, but I don't think the meat overeating habits are healthy and the data shows it. For example, upping your growth factors, overloading yourself with iron, eating charred meat is proven to be detrimental to health. Now everybody's lining up to buy bone broth not knowing that bones often accumulate heavy metals like lead and America is polluted with lead, but that's not just all. Anyway, my point was that people should eat quality foods aligned with their genetic and epigenetic profile, use the least possible processing and stick to traditional cooking methods. Don't eat too much carbs, don't eat too much fats, don't eat too much meat - this is the optimal strategy at this point as I've been following diets for nearly 20 years and there's no perfect on except the balanced real-foods one!