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What city do you live in and do you judge them by what they did 100 years ago? Not sure why that is relevant.

valtism 8y ago
Something like this doesn't just blow away in the dust. There are wounds caused by this that will run deep, affecting the community for generations.
- almost_usual 8y ago
  So like Los Angeles?
  - monocasa 8y ago
    When did LA kill hundreds and have their police firebomb 35 blocks with no consequences for those who took part?
hrktb 8y ago
Are you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.
- DareRight 8y ago
  Nit pick: 100 years is more like four or five generations.
- bennettfeely 8y ago
  By extension do you judge and dismiss everyone living in Germany today with the same rationale?
  - Apocryphon 8y ago
    To be fair, they underwent Denazification
  - komali2 8y ago
    Germany miraculously overcame the most catastrophically racist culture in modern history and I'm not quite sure how they did it beyond outright banning Nazism. Meanwhile, I was called a n lover as a child in South Carolina because I had black friends. This is early 2000s, mind you. Judging an entire population on the sins of their father is just another form of baseless prejudice, like racism, so I don't support it. But deep red America is full of racists. You shouldn't judge a person until you meet them, but there's a reason I left the deep South for San Francisco. I was just tired of the fucking racism, man. To the topic at hand - an influx of tech workers is probably awesome for changing the cultural zeitgeist of a place like Tulsa, and given that it's a major metropolitan area it probably is far removed from the culture of the 20s, or the surrounding rural areas. But it ain't San Francisco. It's an entirely fair concern, to have to deal with racists there.
  - hrktb 8y ago
    A lot of things happened to Germany, from the outside, from the inside, a lot of the people who participated died from the war or in the aftermath, people who survived went through a lot, be it through direct trials or post-war education to children overwatched by the surrounding countries. It's in my opinion one of the very few example of a recovery after such events. I came across the "Black wall street" event of Tusla a while ago, and in comparison I don't get the impression that anything was really done to in reparation or even to change the course of things, almost the opposite. To not be too personal about how shitty I feel it is, from the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot#Aftermath > In the end, no one was convicted of charges for the deaths, injuries or property damage. > A group of influential white developers persuaded the city to pass a fire ordinance that would have prohibited many blacks from rebuilding in Greenwood. > No prosecution took place of any whites for actions committed during the riot. The city settled into an uneasy peace, and decades of virtual silence about the events began. It was not recognized in the Tulsa Tribune feature of "Fifteen Years Ago Today" or "Twenty-five Years Ago Today". To address the "people living today are innocent" part, it's not a matter of being part of the crime or not, but wether the Tusla culture is tainted by its past or not. And to have a culture change, there needs to be recognition, reflection and rejection of past issues, with a strong will to compensate and overcome. Is there any of that? From the outside, I'd wager Oklahoma wouldn't still have an active branch of the KKK if there was such a dramatic shift.
- justwalt 8y ago
  Sins of the father..

Something like this doesn't just blow away in the dust. There are wounds caused by this that will run deep, affecting the community for generations.

almost_usual 8y ago
So like Los Angeles?
- monocasa 8y ago
  When did LA kill hundreds and have their police firebomb 35 blocks with no consequences for those who took part?

hrktb 8y ago

Are you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.

DareRight 8y ago
Nit pick: 100 years is more like four or five generations.
bennettfeely 8y ago
By extension do you judge and dismiss everyone living in Germany today with the same rationale?
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  To be fair, they underwent Denazification
- komali2 8y ago
  Germany miraculously overcame the most catastrophically racist culture in modern history and I'm not quite sure how they did it beyond outright banning Nazism. Meanwhile, I was called a n lover as a child in South Carolina because I had black friends. This is early 2000s, mind you. Judging an entire population on the sins of their father is just another form of baseless prejudice, like racism, so I don't support it. But deep red America is full of racists. You shouldn't judge a person until you meet them, but there's a reason I left the deep South for San Francisco. I was just tired of the fucking racism, man. To the topic at hand - an influx of tech workers is probably awesome for changing the cultural zeitgeist of a place like Tulsa, and given that it's a major metropolitan area it probably is far removed from the culture of the 20s, or the surrounding rural areas. But it ain't San Francisco. It's an entirely fair concern, to have to deal with racists there.
- hrktb 8y ago
  A lot of things happened to Germany, from the outside, from the inside, a lot of the people who participated died from the war or in the aftermath, people who survived went through a lot, be it through direct trials or post-war education to children overwatched by the surrounding countries. It's in my opinion one of the very few example of a recovery after such events. I came across the "Black wall street" event of Tusla a while ago, and in comparison I don't get the impression that anything was really done to in reparation or even to change the course of things, almost the opposite. To not be too personal about how shitty I feel it is, from the wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot#Aftermath > In the end, no one was convicted of charges for the deaths, injuries or property damage. > A group of influential white developers persuaded the city to pass a fire ordinance that would have prohibited many blacks from rebuilding in Greenwood. > No prosecution took place of any whites for actions committed during the riot. The city settled into an uneasy peace, and decades of virtual silence about the events began. It was not recognized in the Tulsa Tribune feature of "Fifteen Years Ago Today" or "Twenty-five Years Ago Today". To address the "people living today are innocent" part, it's not a matter of being part of the crime or not, but wether the Tusla culture is tainted by its past or not. And to have a culture change, there needs to be recognition, reflection and rejection of past issues, with a strong will to compensate and overcome. Is there any of that? From the outside, I'd wager Oklahoma wouldn't still have an active branch of the KKK if there was such a dramatic shift.
justwalt 8y ago
Sins of the father..