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I hope and pray that some smart lawyers come to his defense in both in England, Ecuador, and the USA. I hope that "we" are collectively smart enough to support

by sjg007 8y ago

I hope and pray that some smart lawyers come to his defense in both in England, Ecuador, and the USA. I hope that "we" are collectively smart enough to support him (and Snowden). He is probably not a Russian agent... all of that talk is a distraction (especially with Mueller).. if Russia left him out to dry then they would seriously curtail their intelligence operations... after all memes and fake news are far more effective. If he is a Russian agent, the Prisoners Dilemma applies: Will Trump pardon or will Russia declare? Russia has more to lose here. Maybe there is a way out for Russia and the US but I doubt it. This is actually an interesting case.. a 3 party prisoners dilemma.. any ideas? One of my biggest regrets is not supporting Aaron.. at the time it would not have been much but maybe collectively and everyone together. Maybe we were too late to recognize that he was ahead of his time... and maybe we still are. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4529484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4529484

0x8BADF00D 8y ago
AIPAC will never let that stand. Human rights are okay, as long as those countries are either neutral or allied with Israel.
FireBeyond 8y ago
Why so? He has shown himself over time to be someone who has constantly reneged on his responsibilities, made obtuse efforts to be "understanding" when he has no standing ("offering" to be interviewed via video from the embassy - who else gets to decide how, when, where and if they are interviewed on criminal charges?), and shown himself to be entirely partisan in his motives when it comes down to it. Why should "we" be "collectively supporting him", precisely?
- sjg007 8y ago
  What exactly is partisan?
  - FireBeyond 8y ago
    Contrived and controlled releases to influence a narrative in a particular desired direction. Being given a trove of documents categorized as misdeeds by both sides of government and largely sitting on those by one side, and releasing those that adversely impact the other. Partisan.
    - sjg007 8y ago
      Or timely.
      - FireBeyond 8y ago
        Okay. Then why was it "timely" to release material critical of the left leaning factions of US government... ... but at the same time "not timely" to release material critical of the right leaning factions?
        sjg007 8y ago
        Does this ignore the fact that Wikileaks might have been played?
        thousandautumns 8y ago
        Possibly, but: 1. Wikileaks has declined to publish leaks critical of Putin and Russian in the past 2. Wikileaks inexplicably denigrated the release of the Panama papers, which contained lots of damning information about several Russian oligarchs and key Putin allies, despite the fact that it seems like something they would be supportive of 3. Assange had his own show on Russian state-sponsored television It is entirely possible that Wikileaks was duped by the Russian government. But there is lots of circumstantial evidence that makes the idea seem suspect.
    - boomboomsubban 8y ago
      >Being given a trove of documents categorized as misdeeds by both sides of government and largely sitting on those by one side, and releasing those that adversely impact the other That seems like a fine reason to call someone partisan, but doesn't sound like anything Assange has been shown to have done. Besides, the press is often partisan. That doesn't mean we should abandon a free press.

by sjg007 8y ago

0x8BADF00D 8y ago

AIPAC will never let that stand. Human rights are okay, as long as those countries are either neutral or allied with Israel.

FireBeyond 8y ago

Why so? He has shown himself over time to be someone who has constantly reneged on his responsibilities, made obtuse efforts to be "understanding" when he has no standing ("offering" to be interviewed via video from the embassy - who else gets to decide how, when, where and if they are interviewed on criminal charges?), and shown himself to be entirely partisan in his motives when it comes down to it. Why should "we" be "collectively supporting him", precisely?

sjg007 8y ago
What exactly is partisan?
- FireBeyond 8y ago
  Contrived and controlled releases to influence a narrative in a particular desired direction. Being given a trove of documents categorized as misdeeds by both sides of government and largely sitting on those by one side, and releasing those that adversely impact the other. Partisan.
  - sjg007 8y ago
    Or timely.
    - FireBeyond 8y ago
      Okay. Then why was it "timely" to release material critical of the left leaning factions of US government... ... but at the same time "not timely" to release material critical of the right leaning factions?
      - sjg007 8y ago
        Does this ignore the fact that Wikileaks might have been played?
        thousandautumns 8y ago
        Possibly, but: 1. Wikileaks has declined to publish leaks critical of Putin and Russian in the past 2. Wikileaks inexplicably denigrated the release of the Panama papers, which contained lots of damning information about several Russian oligarchs and key Putin allies, despite the fact that it seems like something they would be supportive of 3. Assange had his own show on Russian state-sponsored television It is entirely possible that Wikileaks was duped by the Russian government. But there is lots of circumstantial evidence that makes the idea seem suspect.
  - boomboomsubban 8y ago
    >Being given a trove of documents categorized as misdeeds by both sides of government and largely sitting on those by one side, and releasing those that adversely impact the other That seems like a fine reason to call someone partisan, but doesn't sound like anything Assange has been shown to have done. Besides, the press is often partisan. That doesn't mean we should abandon a free press.