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Very exciting, but this is very very slow on my x220 compared to xwayland -- running swaywm.

by mbrumlow 8y ago

craftyguy 8y ago
Just curious, are you running the development version of sway 1.0, or the older stable 0.15?
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  master branch of wlroots + sway (I update nearly ever hour). Sway is the most exciting thing going on right now. Sway is really fast, I don't think the slowness is a problem with sway. I am wondering if my x220's Intel card is just too slow. I will try shortly on a much faster system.
  - jitl 8y ago
    Are you on Arch? I’ve been struggling to build sway 1.0-beta.1 on Ubuntu 18.04 - need to build libwayland 1.16 but then all transitive deps on Wayland are sad.
    - nezirus 8y ago
      sway beta works great on Arch, maybe you can look up build scripts for sway-git and wlroots-git on aur.archlinux.org, that should probably help with dependency list and building the whole thing.
    - pimeys 8y ago
      I'm running Ubuntu 18.10 and basically only needed to install sway, wlroots and json-c from source. Additionally Ubuntu's system version of meson is too old, but you get the latest with pip.
  - colemickens 8y ago
    I am also running the very latest Sway and have no issues with other Wayland applications. I am seeing the same slowness you describe, as I'd been seeing with the Flatpak nightly Wayland builds. It's also still not respecting my Caps Lock. I'm waiting to hear from someone running it under GNOME/Wayland before filing bugs, though.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    Nice, and I agree! That's sad though, because it means my x230 probably won't fare any better. Are you using modesetting or the SNA (xf86-video-intel) driver? edit: don't mind me, it uses modesetting.
    - mbrumlow 8y ago
      I am not sure how drivers work with wayland, it probably is not the xf86-video-intel though, as this is wayland. But I think it will be fine once they flush some things out. Everything in wayland is smooth and fast except this. And this was just enabled. Firefox in general even on Xwayland is super fast on this old system too. It probably just a matter of time until it is all smooth again.
      - craftyguy 8y ago
        Ah you're right, wayland uses modesetting, what was I thinking. I should have known as I was typing out the typical SNA driver name..
  - jadbox 8y ago
    If only wayland worked with NVIDIA drivers, but I've heard that there's some progress happening.
Jonnax 8y ago
Isn't that laptop from like 6 years ago? I'd imagine your GPU is very much considered legacy.
- mbrumlow 8y ago
  I am running webrender under xwayland, and it is super smooth. This system is damn near the best laptop I have ever had. I have replaced the bios with core boot and have a fully encrypted luks disk. I get near 15 hours battery life. All that for the price of $150 + plus a few premium upgrades (ssd, and ips panel). My T450s cost me ~$2700 new, and it is faster in some cases, but the cost/performance ratio just does not pay off to have such a expensive system these days. Should also note, that because the x220 has a higher TDP than newer ultrabooks I can get a few things done faster. The last time I tried emacs compiles near 20 seconds faster on the x220 than a T450s. I also found a neat hack, not related to the x220, but any laptop really. When I am waiting on long compiles I take a compressed air can and turn it upside down and jet the cool liquid into the heat sink. The temp drops and you can shave a bit of time off a compile or what not if you have the wherewithal to continue to deliver small shots of cool fluid. I mostly feel okay doing it because it is only a $150 laptop...
  - lotyrin 8y ago
    Man, I want an X220 with newer gen chip in it. The new usb-c side dock solution, worse keyboards, and the ultrabook form factor's thermal properties...
    - mbrumlow 8y ago
      Well, then you might look into this guy who modifies x200/x201's with 8th gen Intel chip sets. I think this is a good starting point to find more information about it. Its called the x210. http://www.cnmod.cn/x210 http://www.cnmod.cn/x210
      - byproxy 8y ago
        Wow, that looks really cool. Do you happen to know how much they cost?

Very exciting, but this is very very slow on my x220 compared to xwayland -- running swaywm.

craftyguy 8y ago

Just curious, are you running the development version of sway 1.0, or the older stable 0.15?

mbrumlow 8y ago
master branch of wlroots + sway (I update nearly ever hour). Sway is the most exciting thing going on right now. Sway is really fast, I don't think the slowness is a problem with sway. I am wondering if my x220's Intel card is just too slow. I will try shortly on a much faster system.
- jitl 8y ago
  Are you on Arch? I’ve been struggling to build sway 1.0-beta.1 on Ubuntu 18.04 - need to build libwayland 1.16 but then all transitive deps on Wayland are sad.
  - nezirus 8y ago
    sway beta works great on Arch, maybe you can look up build scripts for sway-git and wlroots-git on aur.archlinux.org, that should probably help with dependency list and building the whole thing.
  - pimeys 8y ago
    I'm running Ubuntu 18.10 and basically only needed to install sway, wlroots and json-c from source. Additionally Ubuntu's system version of meson is too old, but you get the latest with pip.
- colemickens 8y ago
  I am also running the very latest Sway and have no issues with other Wayland applications. I am seeing the same slowness you describe, as I'd been seeing with the Flatpak nightly Wayland builds. It's also still not respecting my Caps Lock. I'm waiting to hear from someone running it under GNOME/Wayland before filing bugs, though.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  Nice, and I agree! That's sad though, because it means my x230 probably won't fare any better. Are you using modesetting or the SNA (xf86-video-intel) driver? edit: don't mind me, it uses modesetting.
  - mbrumlow 8y ago
    I am not sure how drivers work with wayland, it probably is not the xf86-video-intel though, as this is wayland. But I think it will be fine once they flush some things out. Everything in wayland is smooth and fast except this. And this was just enabled. Firefox in general even on Xwayland is super fast on this old system too. It probably just a matter of time until it is all smooth again.
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      Ah you're right, wayland uses modesetting, what was I thinking. I should have known as I was typing out the typical SNA driver name..
- jadbox 8y ago
  If only wayland worked with NVIDIA drivers, but I've heard that there's some progress happening.

Jonnax 8y ago

Isn't that laptop from like 6 years ago? I'd imagine your GPU is very much considered legacy.

mbrumlow 8y ago
I am running webrender under xwayland, and it is super smooth. This system is damn near the best laptop I have ever had. I have replaced the bios with core boot and have a fully encrypted luks disk. I get near 15 hours battery life. All that for the price of $150 + plus a few premium upgrades (ssd, and ips panel). My T450s cost me ~$2700 new, and it is faster in some cases, but the cost/performance ratio just does not pay off to have such a expensive system these days. Should also note, that because the x220 has a higher TDP than newer ultrabooks I can get a few things done faster. The last time I tried emacs compiles near 20 seconds faster on the x220 than a T450s. I also found a neat hack, not related to the x220, but any laptop really. When I am waiting on long compiles I take a compressed air can and turn it upside down and jet the cool liquid into the heat sink. The temp drops and you can shave a bit of time off a compile or what not if you have the wherewithal to continue to deliver small shots of cool fluid. I mostly feel okay doing it because it is only a $150 laptop...
- lotyrin 8y ago
  Man, I want an X220 with newer gen chip in it. The new usb-c side dock solution, worse keyboards, and the ultrabook form factor's thermal properties...
  - mbrumlow 8y ago
    Well, then you might look into this guy who modifies x200/x201's with 8th gen Intel chip sets. I think this is a good starting point to find more information about it. Its called the x210. http://www.cnmod.cn/x210 http://www.cnmod.cn/x210
    - byproxy 8y ago
      Wow, that looks really cool. Do you happen to know how much they cost?