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“Instead of learning from Google about being transpernt on how they use user data” I am curious evidences of this. Or are you comparing objectively with the tw

“Instead of learning from Google about being transpernt on how they use user data” I am curious evidences of this. Or are you comparing objectively with the two relative to recent events? Then sure. FB’s been very sketchy all this time with little knowing until the whole election interference and Cambridge scandal went public and viral did people pay attention. But thanks for the takeaways.

dirkgently 8y ago
Not sure if I understand you here. Google, for all the negative press and bashing they are getting lately, has not hidden what they collect, how they collect. They also do not sell user data (that's not their business model). Sure, they have had their share of issues, but I don't think they are systematic or intentional. They are happy if you want to take your data and go to someone else - they released takeaway tool more than 10 years ago. Fb, on the other hand, never were trustworthy, even before any of the recent scandals became public. They have had history of changing things around that led to users unknowingly expose their details they thought they had locked down, more than once. They have been caught lying to advertisers about clicks and views. But those finer points are lost when they have successfully dragged Google in the mudbath with their smear campaign, irrespective of the scale or intentions at Google.
- conradev 8y ago
  > Sure, they have had their share of issues, but I don't think they are systematic or intentional. Or Google is just better at staying out of the spotlight: > Disclosure will likely result “in us coming into the spotlight alongside or even instead of Facebook despite having stayed under the radar throughout the Cambridge Analytica scandal”, Google policy and legal officials wrote in a memo obtained by the Journal. It “almost guarantees Sundar will testify before Congress”, the memo said, referring to the company’s CEO, Sundar Pichai. The disclosure would also invite “immediate regulatory interest”. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/08/google-plus-security-breach-wall-street-journal https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/08/google-pl...
- Puer 8y ago
  > Google, for all the negative press and bashing they are getting lately, has not hidden what they collect, how they collect. I'm curious what led to you to this conclusion and how you define "hide." What about how they were tracking location information even after you turned off location history??
- zaphod4prez 8y ago
  Uhhh, I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with you about Google being a "good guy" here. For example, did you know that people at Google can read your email [1]? ...And so can literally hundreds of app makers...[2] That to me is about as flagrant and messed up as I can imagine. If you really trust Google with your data, I recommend you investigate their (very) checkered history a bit more. [1]https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-not-reading-your-gmail-except-in-all-these-cases-2018-7/ https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-not-reading-your-g... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-allows-app-developers-to-read-peoples-gmails-report-2018-7?r=UK&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/google-allows-app-developers...

dirkgently 8y ago

Not sure if I understand you here. Google, for all the negative press and bashing they are getting lately, has not hidden what they collect, how they collect. They also do not sell user data (that's not their business model). Sure, they have had their share of issues, but I don't think they are systematic or intentional. They are happy if you want to take your data and go to someone else - they released takeaway tool more than 10 years ago. Fb, on the other hand, never were trustworthy, even before any of the recent scandals became public. They have had history of changing things around that led to users unknowingly expose their details they thought they had locked down, more than once. They have been caught lying to advertisers about clicks and views. But those finer points are lost when they have successfully dragged Google in the mudbath with their smear campaign, irrespective of the scale or intentions at Google.

conradev 8y ago
> Sure, they have had their share of issues, but I don't think they are systematic or intentional. Or Google is just better at staying out of the spotlight: > Disclosure will likely result “in us coming into the spotlight alongside or even instead of Facebook despite having stayed under the radar throughout the Cambridge Analytica scandal”, Google policy and legal officials wrote in a memo obtained by the Journal. It “almost guarantees Sundar will testify before Congress”, the memo said, referring to the company’s CEO, Sundar Pichai. The disclosure would also invite “immediate regulatory interest”. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/08/google-plus-security-breach-wall-street-journal https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/08/google-pl...
Puer 8y ago
> Google, for all the negative press and bashing they are getting lately, has not hidden what they collect, how they collect. I'm curious what led to you to this conclusion and how you define "hide." What about how they were tracking location information even after you turned off location history??
zaphod4prez 8y ago
Uhhh, I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with you about Google being a "good guy" here. For example, did you know that people at Google can read your email [1]? ...And so can literally hundreds of app makers...[2] That to me is about as flagrant and messed up as I can imagine. If you really trust Google with your data, I recommend you investigate their (very) checkered history a bit more. [1]https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-not-reading-your-gmail-except-in-all-these-cases-2018-7/ https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-not-reading-your-g... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-allows-app-developers-to-read-peoples-gmails-report-2018-7?r=UK&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/google-allows-app-developers...