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This should be illegal because I have a right to privacy. Corporations should have my permission in order to store, process and sell information about me.

buboard 8y ago
right , facebook can ask you for this permission when uploading the photos. But that doesnt make the algorithm itself illegal.
threeseed 8y ago
Comments like this make no sense to me. You gave Facebook your data and agreed with a ToS that states pretty clearly this is what they will do. And then are upset when they do it ?
- dwd 8y ago
  And for others in the photo, some of whom may not have an account, did FaceBook get their permission to generate meta data about them?
  - squarefoot 8y ago
    Which brings us to a similar issue: what if I don't want my voice being recorded, analyzed and tracked by digital assistants? How do I prevent companies from profiling my habits by using other peoples devices?
    - dwd 8y ago
      Good point! This was discussed a bit when people started wearing Google Glasses and creeped out strangers who didn't want to be recorded. Could be a hard one. I imagine that the voice recognition is processed in the cloud, where for privacy it should be on the device. As it is, there's no need for the Government to bend the law to store meta data on citizens; these companies do it all for them.
- interlocutor 8y ago
  Yes. Steve Kroft: "You signed on. You made the deal." Max Schrems: The individual doesn't have the power, the time, the legal expertise to understand any of that. And then you're sitting at home at your desk and have the option to only say yes. This is not what any reasonable person would consider a fair deal. Read more here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-take-back-their-data-from-big-tech-companies-60-minutes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-t...
  - manigandham 8y ago
    They definitely have the option to say no. I empathize with the regular user and lack of time/skill to read complex legal text but you cannot say that the only option is to say yes when anyone can just not use the service.
longerthoughts 8y ago
>Corporations should have my permission in order to store, process and sell information about me. Yes, but it's not exactly that simple if they're inferring details about me based on information that I've given them permission to use.
cronix 8y ago
Which country do you live in and specifically which "right to privacy" do you mean? Is there a law you're referring to? For instance, in the US, the only right to privacy we truly have is in our own homes, with the blinds closed. If you are in your home standing in front of a window naked, I can legally take your pic as long as I'm on public property (street/sidewalk) and I'm not trespassing. There are other places where people have a "reasonable expectation of privacy," such as a restroom or changing room, etc. > Corporations should have my permission in order to store, process and sell information about me. Are you sure you haven't already given it to them? Most people don't read that fine print of the contracts, or terms of service, or privacy statements that they are signing or otherwise agreeing to, but it's generally in there how they will use your info. If you use FB, have you read all of this? You agreed to it: [1] https://www.facebook.com/privacy/explanation https://www.facebook.com/privacy/explanation [2] https://www.facebook.com/policies https://www.facebook.com/policies
- interlocutor 8y ago
  >> Which country do you live in and specifically which "right to privacy" do you mean? All European countries. If you live in Europe you own your data. >> Are you sure you haven't already given it to them? "And then you're sitting at home at your desk and have the option to only say yes. This is not what any reasonable person would consider a fair deal." -- from 60 Minutes. You clearly didn't watch 60 Minutes last Sunday. But you can still read the transcript here, where every point you raise has been addressed: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-take-back-their-data-from-big-tech-companies-60-minutes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-t...
  - cronix 8y ago
    Thank you for clarifying. Indeed, Europe has more privacy rights/laws than most, but that's still only about 512M/7.7B people (~1/15th).
- ardy42 8y ago
  > Are you sure you haven't already given it to them? Most people don't read that fine print of the contracts, or terms of service, or privacy statements that they are signing or otherwise agreeing to, but it's generally in there how they will use your info. > If you use FB, have you read all of this? You agreed to it There's something messed up about the idea that you shouldn't expect privacy unless you wade through the fine print perfectly, every time. The deck is stacked against the privacy-seeking individual, and it's practically impossible to guard one's privacy as an individual. Businesses have gotten used to getting a free ride when it comes to managing consent for personal data use. Those costs need to be shifted to be more equitably shared between those businesses and individual consumers. We reforms that put GDPR-type requirements around the use of personal data.

buboard 8y ago

right , facebook can ask you for this permission when uploading the photos. But that doesnt make the algorithm itself illegal.

threeseed 8y ago

Comments like this make no sense to me. You gave Facebook your data and agreed with a ToS that states pretty clearly this is what they will do. And then are upset when they do it ?

dwd 8y ago
And for others in the photo, some of whom may not have an account, did FaceBook get their permission to generate meta data about them?
- squarefoot 8y ago
  Which brings us to a similar issue: what if I don't want my voice being recorded, analyzed and tracked by digital assistants? How do I prevent companies from profiling my habits by using other peoples devices?
  - dwd 8y ago
    Good point! This was discussed a bit when people started wearing Google Glasses and creeped out strangers who didn't want to be recorded. Could be a hard one. I imagine that the voice recognition is processed in the cloud, where for privacy it should be on the device. As it is, there's no need for the Government to bend the law to store meta data on citizens; these companies do it all for them.
interlocutor 8y ago
Yes. Steve Kroft: "You signed on. You made the deal." Max Schrems: The individual doesn't have the power, the time, the legal expertise to understand any of that. And then you're sitting at home at your desk and have the option to only say yes. This is not what any reasonable person would consider a fair deal. Read more here: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-take-back-their-data-from-big-tech-companies-60-minutes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-t...
- manigandham 8y ago
  They definitely have the option to say no. I empathize with the regular user and lack of time/skill to read complex legal text but you cannot say that the only option is to say yes when anyone can just not use the service.

longerthoughts 8y ago

>Corporations should have my permission in order to store, process and sell information about me. Yes, but it's not exactly that simple if they're inferring details about me based on information that I've given them permission to use.

cronix 8y ago

Which country do you live in and specifically which "right to privacy" do you mean? Is there a law you're referring to? For instance, in the US, the only right to privacy we truly have is in our own homes, with the blinds closed. If you are in your home standing in front of a window naked, I can legally take your pic as long as I'm on public property (street/sidewalk) and I'm not trespassing. There are other places where people have a "reasonable expectation of privacy," such as a restroom or changing room, etc. > Corporations should have my permission in order to store, process and sell information about me. Are you sure you haven't already given it to them? Most people don't read that fine print of the contracts, or terms of service, or privacy statements that they are signing or otherwise agreeing to, but it's generally in there how they will use your info. If you use FB, have you read all of this? You agreed to it: [1] https://www.facebook.com/privacy/explanation https://www.facebook.com/privacy/explanation [2] https://www.facebook.com/policies https://www.facebook.com/policies

interlocutor 8y ago
>> Which country do you live in and specifically which "right to privacy" do you mean? All European countries. If you live in Europe you own your data. >> Are you sure you haven't already given it to them? "And then you're sitting at home at your desk and have the option to only say yes. This is not what any reasonable person would consider a fair deal." -- from 60 Minutes. You clearly didn't watch 60 Minutes last Sunday. But you can still read the transcript here, where every point you raise has been addressed: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-take-back-their-data-from-big-tech-companies-60-minutes/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gdpr-the-law-that-lets-europe-t...
- cronix 8y ago
  Thank you for clarifying. Indeed, Europe has more privacy rights/laws than most, but that's still only about 512M/7.7B people (~1/15th).
ardy42 8y ago
> Are you sure you haven't already given it to them? Most people don't read that fine print of the contracts, or terms of service, or privacy statements that they are signing or otherwise agreeing to, but it's generally in there how they will use your info. > If you use FB, have you read all of this? You agreed to it There's something messed up about the idea that you shouldn't expect privacy unless you wade through the fine print perfectly, every time. The deck is stacked against the privacy-seeking individual, and it's practically impossible to guard one's privacy as an individual. Businesses have gotten used to getting a free ride when it comes to managing consent for personal data use. Those costs need to be shifted to be more equitably shared between those businesses and individual consumers. We reforms that put GDPR-type requirements around the use of personal data.