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Is it naive of me to be completely fine with this?

by longerthoughts 8y ago

Jyaif 8y ago
It's unacceptable to not bash FB on HN.
- yumraj 8y ago
  Please feel free to share a valid argument in favor of FB and its actions, if you can find one. I'm sure you will be upvoted, for creativity if nothing else.
  - gammateam 8y ago
    That's optimistic. Hackernews is not exempt from the groupthink and the downvote censoring effect is in almost every thread, would it be called irony if you didn't notice?
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      Hacker News has groupthink, but usually if you come up with an argument with evidence people are willing to listen to what you have to say.
      - gammateam 8y ago
        My own post above is becoming evidence.
  - longerthoughts 8y ago
    There's a difference between arguing for the freedom to say something disagreeable and arguing the disagreeable thing itself.
  - buboard 8y ago
    Defending facebook and criticising the cult-like herdishness of the "tech" crowd in here are two orthogonal things. one does not invalidate the other.
interlocutor 8y ago
Yes, it is naive. Is it acceptable for Target (or FB or Google) to know that a girl is pregnant before she has shared the news with her family? https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/06/big-data-whats-even-creepier-than-target-guessing-that-youre-pregnant.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/06/big-data-whats-even... Human beings have a right to privacy and right to control who knows their personal information.
- longerthoughts 8y ago
  I absolutely agree that we have the right to privacy and control of our personal information, but I'm choosing to offer the information they're using. I see how that gets tricky at a larger scale with many people who won't necessarily assume or know that this is being done, but I have no issue with them discovering information about me personally based on the information I'm offering them.
  - inetknght 8y ago
    Can you say for the same for every single member of your household?
    - longerthoughts 8y ago
      If I were only permitted to have opinions that are commonly held by everybody I know, I wouldn't be permitted any opinions at all.
      - inetknght 8y ago
        I'm not asking you to only have opinions that are commonly held by everybody you know. I'm asking you whether you've talked to your family/roommates about your opinions. If you haven't, then that means that you've ignored an opportunity to discover a different viewpoint. It means that you'd make a unilateral decision without even thinking about the other people it will affect. It means you didn't give them even an opportunity to change your mind or change their living situation beforehand. It means you're marginalizing their opinion or viewpoint and perpetuating the aloneness that people can feel despite living together.
yumraj 8y ago
Honestly curious, since you are fine with this: 1) Are you married? 2) Do you have kids? 3) If you do have kids, are they in K-12 or are they older? We all have our opinions and biases, but personally I'll be surprised that anyone with a family and younger kids and aware of where this leads would be in favor or even be OK with this.
- longerthoughts 8y ago
  >I'll be surprised that anyone with a family and younger kids and aware of where this leads would be in favor or even be OK with this This is what I want to hear more about. I wasn't asking if my indifference was naive rhetorically - I genuinely want to know where people are thinking this leads and why I should be concerned.
  - htanirs 8y ago
    1) Are you married? 2) Do you have kids? 3) If you do have kids, are they in K-12 or are they older? If strangers ask personal details online we think twice or become concerned. If someone then proceeds to ask where are your kids now, it would become creepy as hell. But if a corporate can do that by looking at photos and possibly sell that data to ad agencies, it is even more scary. The 3rd party can share it with anyone or the data can be hacked. All the corporate would do is update their policy. Maybe much more info is already being collected which has not yet come out and we have no clue. We are just pushing the "how bad can it get" line. Humans have messed up real bad.

Is it naive of me to be completely fine with this?

Jyaif 8y ago

It's unacceptable to not bash FB on HN.

yumraj 8y ago
Please feel free to share a valid argument in favor of FB and its actions, if you can find one. I'm sure you will be upvoted, for creativity if nothing else.
- gammateam 8y ago
  That's optimistic. Hackernews is not exempt from the groupthink and the downvote censoring effect is in almost every thread, would it be called irony if you didn't notice?
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    Hacker News has groupthink, but usually if you come up with an argument with evidence people are willing to listen to what you have to say.
    - gammateam 8y ago
      My own post above is becoming evidence.
- longerthoughts 8y ago
  There's a difference between arguing for the freedom to say something disagreeable and arguing the disagreeable thing itself.
- buboard 8y ago
  Defending facebook and criticising the cult-like herdishness of the "tech" crowd in here are two orthogonal things. one does not invalidate the other.

interlocutor 8y ago

Yes, it is naive. Is it acceptable for Target (or FB or Google) to know that a girl is pregnant before she has shared the news with her family? https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/06/big-data-whats-even-creepier-than-target-guessing-that-youre-pregnant.html https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/06/big-data-whats-even... Human beings have a right to privacy and right to control who knows their personal information.

longerthoughts 8y ago
I absolutely agree that we have the right to privacy and control of our personal information, but I'm choosing to offer the information they're using. I see how that gets tricky at a larger scale with many people who won't necessarily assume or know that this is being done, but I have no issue with them discovering information about me personally based on the information I'm offering them.
- inetknght 8y ago
  Can you say for the same for every single member of your household?
  - longerthoughts 8y ago
    If I were only permitted to have opinions that are commonly held by everybody I know, I wouldn't be permitted any opinions at all.
    - inetknght 8y ago
      I'm not asking you to only have opinions that are commonly held by everybody you know. I'm asking you whether you've talked to your family/roommates about your opinions. If you haven't, then that means that you've ignored an opportunity to discover a different viewpoint. It means that you'd make a unilateral decision without even thinking about the other people it will affect. It means you didn't give them even an opportunity to change your mind or change their living situation beforehand. It means you're marginalizing their opinion or viewpoint and perpetuating the aloneness that people can feel despite living together.

yumraj 8y ago

Honestly curious, since you are fine with this: 1) Are you married? 2) Do you have kids? 3) If you do have kids, are they in K-12 or are they older? We all have our opinions and biases, but personally I'll be surprised that anyone with a family and younger kids and aware of where this leads would be in favor or even be OK with this.

longerthoughts 8y ago
>I'll be surprised that anyone with a family and younger kids and aware of where this leads would be in favor or even be OK with this This is what I want to hear more about. I wasn't asking if my indifference was naive rhetorically - I genuinely want to know where people are thinking this leads and why I should be concerned.
- htanirs 8y ago
  1) Are you married? 2) Do you have kids? 3) If you do have kids, are they in K-12 or are they older? If strangers ask personal details online we think twice or become concerned. If someone then proceeds to ask where are your kids now, it would become creepy as hell. But if a corporate can do that by looking at photos and possibly sell that data to ad agencies, it is even more scary. The 3rd party can share it with anyone or the data can be hacked. All the corporate would do is update their policy. Maybe much more info is already being collected which has not yet come out and we have no clue. We are just pushing the "how bad can it get" line. Humans have messed up real bad.