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Moved from Oklahoma City to California. Never going back. If you're religious, right-wing, and don't care about having outing options, then Oklahoma is the pl

Moved from Oklahoma City to California. Never going back. If you're religious, right-wing, and don't care about having outing options, then Oklahoma is the place for you.

walrus01 8y ago
I guarantee that if I spent more than one week in Oklahoma or Kansas, I would get into a terrible political argument with the locals. I can only bite my tongue for so long.
- zumu 8y ago
  Kansas is surprisingly much cooler than Oklahoma
- madengr 8y ago
  I’m in Kansas. Let’s argue.
- rfrey 8y ago
  Yes, I’ve heard they’re prone to gross generalizations out there, and that’s pretty intolerable.
  - walrus01 8y ago
    Note that I didn't say what my politics are, you're making a big assumption there.
- therealmocker 8y ago
  Things can change: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/opinion/kansas-laura-kelly-democrats-governor.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/opinion/kansas-laura-kell...
almost_usual 8y ago
I'm guessing you've never driven through California. https://sports.yahoo.com/barbershop-owner-apologizes-says-no-idea-offensive-hang-colin-kaepernick-doll-noose-180134702.html https://sports.yahoo.com/barbershop-owner-apologizes-says-no... California is a lot more Red than you think.. I've seen tons of Confederate flags here (which doesn't even make sense).
- ummonk 8y ago
  I've never seen a Confederate flag in California, and haven't really encountered any noticeable prejudice from small town / rural Californians in my travails through Northern California. Nothing like Oklahoma.
  - almost_usual 8y ago
    Are you in an interracial relationship? I grew up in a small town in Illinois so I know what rural towns are like. I've definitely walked into bars and restaurants in rural Northern California and have had the entire place stare at us while we got seated. Felt exactly like rural Illinois. I have family members who are openly gay and I know places in Northern California I would _never_ take them. I also know of areas around the North along the coast where you can end up in a fist fight if you're an outsider especially from the Bay Area. That's less a red vs blue thing and more of a "I don't want outsiders in my town" vibe. If you go where the tourists aren't going you'll encounter some interesting things.
    - ummonk 8y ago
      No, I'm not in an interracial relationship and not gay either. I do look Muslim though. I'm sure there are places like this in NorCal, as you attest, and I haven't encountered them because I go mostly to the places where tourists go (while I tend to avoid the most popular tourist destinations in the state, my travels have still been for camping purposes, which means the places I go to are not strangers to outsiders). But the mere fact that I can live and travel in the state without encountering this kind of stuff is precisely the point. In Oklahoma, there is prejudice anywhere you go, even the towns and cities. (In fact, the main group of people in Oklahoma whom I remember being inclusive towards me were actually rural / very-small-town farmers)
virmundi 8y ago
I ask this out of genuine curiosity since I can't pick a definitive meaning: outing options? Is that ability to go somewhere or the ability to be publicly gay? My confusion is the first two adjectives tend to imply not pro-gay.
james33 8y ago
And when did you make this move? OKC has been undergoing a renascence of sorts over the last decade and barely resembles the rest of the state. The tech scene is really taking off and diversity is expanding rather rapidly. There are a lot of great people working hard to make a difference here and just because you like one place over another doesn't mean that other place has to be bad, it is fine to just be different.

Moved from Oklahoma City to California. Never going back. If you're religious, right-wing, and don't care about having outing options, then Oklahoma is the place for you.

walrus01 8y ago

I guarantee that if I spent more than one week in Oklahoma or Kansas, I would get into a terrible political argument with the locals. I can only bite my tongue for so long.

zumu 8y ago
Kansas is surprisingly much cooler than Oklahoma
madengr 8y ago
I’m in Kansas. Let’s argue.
rfrey 8y ago
Yes, I’ve heard they’re prone to gross generalizations out there, and that’s pretty intolerable.
- walrus01 8y ago
  Note that I didn't say what my politics are, you're making a big assumption there.
therealmocker 8y ago
Things can change: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/opinion/kansas-laura-kelly-democrats-governor.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/10/opinion/kansas-laura-kell...

almost_usual 8y ago

I'm guessing you've never driven through California. https://sports.yahoo.com/barbershop-owner-apologizes-says-no-idea-offensive-hang-colin-kaepernick-doll-noose-180134702.html https://sports.yahoo.com/barbershop-owner-apologizes-says-no... California is a lot more Red than you think.. I've seen tons of Confederate flags here (which doesn't even make sense).

ummonk 8y ago
I've never seen a Confederate flag in California, and haven't really encountered any noticeable prejudice from small town / rural Californians in my travails through Northern California. Nothing like Oklahoma.
- almost_usual 8y ago
  Are you in an interracial relationship? I grew up in a small town in Illinois so I know what rural towns are like. I've definitely walked into bars and restaurants in rural Northern California and have had the entire place stare at us while we got seated. Felt exactly like rural Illinois. I have family members who are openly gay and I know places in Northern California I would _never_ take them. I also know of areas around the North along the coast where you can end up in a fist fight if you're an outsider especially from the Bay Area. That's less a red vs blue thing and more of a "I don't want outsiders in my town" vibe. If you go where the tourists aren't going you'll encounter some interesting things.
  - ummonk 8y ago
    No, I'm not in an interracial relationship and not gay either. I do look Muslim though. I'm sure there are places like this in NorCal, as you attest, and I haven't encountered them because I go mostly to the places where tourists go (while I tend to avoid the most popular tourist destinations in the state, my travels have still been for camping purposes, which means the places I go to are not strangers to outsiders). But the mere fact that I can live and travel in the state without encountering this kind of stuff is precisely the point. In Oklahoma, there is prejudice anywhere you go, even the towns and cities. (In fact, the main group of people in Oklahoma whom I remember being inclusive towards me were actually rural / very-small-town farmers)

virmundi 8y ago

I ask this out of genuine curiosity since I can't pick a definitive meaning: outing options? Is that ability to go somewhere or the ability to be publicly gay? My confusion is the first two adjectives tend to imply not pro-gay.

james33 8y ago

And when did you make this move? OKC has been undergoing a renascence of sorts over the last decade and barely resembles the rest of the state. The tech scene is really taking off and diversity is expanding rather rapidly. There are a lot of great people working hard to make a difference here and just because you like one place over another doesn't mean that other place has to be bad, it is fine to just be different.