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If he had kept his promise after Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning I would care.

by kuwze 8y ago

jMyles 8y ago
What a silly point on which to turn your concerns about government misconduct, especially when it involves the 1st amendment. > Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning First of all, that never happened. You are drastically exaggerating the relief offered by the government. The government tortured this person for years and then, even after offering this (in the great scheme of things, small) gesture of commuting her sentence, it still kept her locked up for an absurd amount of time, ostensibly for administrative reasons. It was too little too late for me, and too little too late for Assange. If the government wanted to take the deal he offered, it had the opportunity to immediately pardon Manning and call Assange out on it. Then we'd know if he was bluffing. This (less than) half measure doesn't cut.
- deleted 8y ago
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- kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
  > ostensibly for administrative reasons Manning took an oath to keep secrets and violated that oath fully understanding that it can lead to incarceration.
- sigmar 8y ago
  >It was too little too late for me, and too little too late for Assange. If the government wanted to take the deal he offered, it had the opportunity to immediately pardon Manning and call Assange out on it. Then we'd know if he was bluffing. This (less than) half measure doesn't cut. What? Assange asked for clemency. "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case". and I'm not sure how it was "too little too tale for Assange" since it was days after that that Obama granted clemency. Also- you seem to care so much for Manning that you went the extra mile to avoid using her preferred pronouns by using "this person." Amazing.
  - NhanH 8y ago
    > Also- you seem to care so much for Manning that you went the extra mile to avoid using her preferred pronouns by using "this person." Amazing. This is a ridiculous assessment. In the same sentence GP refers to Manning as "her", twice.
- kahirsch 8y ago
  • 15 Sep 2016 "If Obama grants Manning clemency, Assange will agree to US prison in exchange -- despite its clear unlawfulness" [1] • 12 Jan 2017 "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case" [2] • 17 Jan 2017 "Assange lawyer @themtchair on Assange-Manning extradition 'deal': "Everything that he has said he's standing by." [3] [1] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/776437869376262144 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/776437869376262144 [2] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 [3] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672
icelancer 8y ago
Ah yes, because Assange lied about something and took it back it's totally cool a federal government prosecutes him for whistleblowing.
- jstanley 8y ago
  Right, but anyone breaking the law in order to do good is aware that they're breaking the law, they just determined that that's the best thing to do in the circumstances.
  - rorykoehler 8y ago
    A law that makes it illegal to reveal someone else/ some other organisation breaking the law first is not a law we should allow in our legal and political system if we have even a shred of dignity and self-respect left.

If he had kept his promise after Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning I would care.

by kuwze 8y ago

If he had kept his promise after Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning I would care.

What a silly point on which to turn your concerns about government misconduct, especially when it involves the 1st amendment. > Obama pardoned Chelsea Manning First of all, that never happened. You are drastically exaggerating the relief offered by the government. The government tortured this person for years and then, even after offering this (in the great scheme of things, small) gesture of commuting her sentence, it still kept her locked up for an absurd amount of time, ostensibly for administrative reasons. It was too little too late for me, and too little too late for Assange. If the government wanted to take the deal he offered, it had the opportunity to immediately pardon Manning and call Assange out on it. Then we'd know if he was bluffing. This (less than) half measure doesn't cut.

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kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
> ostensibly for administrative reasons Manning took an oath to keep secrets and violated that oath fully understanding that it can lead to incarceration.
sigmar 8y ago
>It was too little too late for me, and too little too late for Assange. If the government wanted to take the deal he offered, it had the opportunity to immediately pardon Manning and call Assange out on it. Then we'd know if he was bluffing. This (less than) half measure doesn't cut. What? Assange asked for clemency. "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case". and I'm not sure how it was "too little too tale for Assange" since it was days after that that Obama granted clemency. Also- you seem to care so much for Manning that you went the extra mile to avoid using her preferred pronouns by using "this person." Amazing.
- NhanH 8y ago
  > Also- you seem to care so much for Manning that you went the extra mile to avoid using her preferred pronouns by using "this person." Amazing. This is a ridiculous assessment. In the same sentence GP refers to Manning as "her", twice.
kahirsch 8y ago
• 15 Sep 2016 "If Obama grants Manning clemency, Assange will agree to US prison in exchange -- despite its clear unlawfulness" [1] • 12 Jan 2017 "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case" [2] • 17 Jan 2017 "Assange lawyer @themtchair on Assange-Manning extradition 'deal': "Everything that he has said he's standing by." [3] [1] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/776437869376262144 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/776437869376262144 [2] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713 [3] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/821528189625372672

icelancer 8y ago

Ah yes, because Assange lied about something and took it back it's totally cool a federal government prosecutes him for whistleblowing.

jstanley 8y ago
Right, but anyone breaking the law in order to do good is aware that they're breaking the law, they just determined that that's the best thing to do in the circumstances.
- rorykoehler 8y ago
  A law that makes it illegal to reveal someone else/ some other organisation breaking the law first is not a law we should allow in our legal and political system if we have even a shred of dignity and self-respect left.