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You've apparently forgotten all about that whole Osama Bin Laden thing. You know, the person who Clinton sent a team to kill even though he was never charged wi

You've apparently forgotten all about that whole Osama Bin Laden thing. You know, the person who Clinton sent a team to kill even though he was never charged with any crime. There's even a video of Clinton watching his illegal assassination.

jacobush 8y ago
Clinton?
- monocasa 8y ago
  Yep. She certainly appears to be there. https://businessinsider.com/situation-room-bin-laden-2016-5 https://businessinsider.com/situation-room-bin-laden-2016-5
  - hnmonkey 8y ago
    Very interesting. Because she was in the room that meant she sent the team to kill Bin Laden? By your logic and the parent poster's logic ~13 people aside from the President and the laptops and coffee cups were also just as responsible for sending the team to kill him.
    - monocasa 8y ago
      Are you really questioning the idea that the Secretary of State had a hand in approving a CIA-led assassination mission when there's literally pictures of her watching it go down?
      - hnmonkey 8y ago
        I never said that I questioned that in the slightest. Not sure where you get that at all. I did however basically say that she did not send the team to get him. That's what a President signs off on and military leaders plan.
        monocasa 8y ago
        >> Very interesting. Because she was in the room that meant she sent the team to kill Bin Laden? > I never said that I questioned that in the slightest. Not sure where you get that at all. You literally just questioned that. And it was a CIA-led, ie. civilian led, operation, not a military-led one.
        hnmonkey 8y ago
        The military explicitly played a critical role in planning, leading, and executing this. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Operation_Neptune_Spear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Opera... U.S. Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) and at least 6 members from JSOC planned it in coordination with the CIA.
        monocasa 8y ago
        Literally the second sentence of that article says: > The operation, code-named Operation Neptune Spear, was carried out in a CIA-led operation
        hnmonkey 8y ago
        You seem to be arguing incredibly uncharitably. I simply said the military planned it and based on the article I posted, I am 100% accurate. It doesn't take away from the military planning that the CIA also had a hand in planning it. I also never said the military led it, the thing you are arguing I did.
        jack9 8y ago
        > You seem to be arguing incredibly uncharitably. Ironic. You've claimed multiple things. For each case, in the face of conflicting evidence, deflected to argue about another detail.
      - hnmonkey 8y ago
        You edited your comment to change what you said. You originally did not say that she had a 'hand in approving'. Why would you change it to make it seem like you were talking about something else that you didn't originally say?
kahirsch 8y ago
Bin Laden was indicted in 1998 for multiple capital crimes. His co-conspirators were convicted. The Taliban refused to extradite bin Laden and the UN Security Council responded with sanctions (e.g. Security Council resolution 1267).
- dingaling 8y ago
  There was no compulsion to comply since the charges were filed ( under seal ) in New York state and there was no extradition agreement with Afghanistan. Despite that the Taliban had been in negotiation since 1998 and repeatedly offered to hand Bin Laden over to a third country. SCR1267 did not authorise military action. Everything you have written is true, yet misleading.
  - kahirsch 8y ago
    I didn't mean to imply that SCR1267 authorized military action and I don't think I did. The Taliban were obliged by SCR1267 to turn over bin Laden. If they had intended to turn over bin Laden to a third country, they would have.
IIAOPSW 8y ago
0. Obama ordered that. Not Hillary. 1. That's not a drone strike. 2. That's not an assassination mission. OBL was more valuable alive than dead. 3. Islamibad isn't London and the UK isn't Pakistan. Hard power solutions are for countries that can't control their own airspace and can't/won't be able to capture the person of interest with their own legal/security apparatus. Name one drone strike outside the middle East. 4. You are comparing the most notorious terrorist in world history to a journalistic nuisance. The US would have to be retarded to pursue Assange to the same severity as they pursued OBL.

jacobush 8y ago

Clinton?

monocasa 8y ago
Yep. She certainly appears to be there. https://businessinsider.com/situation-room-bin-laden-2016-5 https://businessinsider.com/situation-room-bin-laden-2016-5
- hnmonkey 8y ago
  Very interesting. Because she was in the room that meant she sent the team to kill Bin Laden? By your logic and the parent poster's logic ~13 people aside from the President and the laptops and coffee cups were also just as responsible for sending the team to kill him.
  - monocasa 8y ago
    Are you really questioning the idea that the Secretary of State had a hand in approving a CIA-led assassination mission when there's literally pictures of her watching it go down?
    - hnmonkey 8y ago
      I never said that I questioned that in the slightest. Not sure where you get that at all. I did however basically say that she did not send the team to get him. That's what a President signs off on and military leaders plan.
      - monocasa 8y ago
        >> Very interesting. Because she was in the room that meant she sent the team to kill Bin Laden? > I never said that I questioned that in the slightest. Not sure where you get that at all. You literally just questioned that. And it was a CIA-led, ie. civilian led, operation, not a military-led one.
        hnmonkey 8y ago
        The military explicitly played a critical role in planning, leading, and executing this. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Operation_Neptune_Spear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Opera... U.S. Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) and at least 6 members from JSOC planned it in coordination with the CIA.
        monocasa 8y ago
        Literally the second sentence of that article says: > The operation, code-named Operation Neptune Spear, was carried out in a CIA-led operation
        hnmonkey 8y ago
        You seem to be arguing incredibly uncharitably. I simply said the military planned it and based on the article I posted, I am 100% accurate. It doesn't take away from the military planning that the CIA also had a hand in planning it. I also never said the military led it, the thing you are arguing I did.
        jack9 8y ago
        > You seem to be arguing incredibly uncharitably. Ironic. You've claimed multiple things. For each case, in the face of conflicting evidence, deflected to argue about another detail.
    - hnmonkey 8y ago
      You edited your comment to change what you said. You originally did not say that she had a 'hand in approving'. Why would you change it to make it seem like you were talking about something else that you didn't originally say?

kahirsch 8y ago

Bin Laden was indicted in 1998 for multiple capital crimes. His co-conspirators were convicted. The Taliban refused to extradite bin Laden and the UN Security Council responded with sanctions (e.g. Security Council resolution 1267).

dingaling 8y ago
There was no compulsion to comply since the charges were filed ( under seal ) in New York state and there was no extradition agreement with Afghanistan. Despite that the Taliban had been in negotiation since 1998 and repeatedly offered to hand Bin Laden over to a third country. SCR1267 did not authorise military action. Everything you have written is true, yet misleading.
- kahirsch 8y ago
  I didn't mean to imply that SCR1267 authorized military action and I don't think I did. The Taliban were obliged by SCR1267 to turn over bin Laden. If they had intended to turn over bin Laden to a third country, they would have.

IIAOPSW 8y ago

0. Obama ordered that. Not Hillary. 1. That's not a drone strike. 2. That's not an assassination mission. OBL was more valuable alive than dead. 3. Islamibad isn't London and the UK isn't Pakistan. Hard power solutions are for countries that can't control their own airspace and can't/won't be able to capture the person of interest with their own legal/security apparatus. Name one drone strike outside the middle East. 4. You are comparing the most notorious terrorist in world history to a journalistic nuisance. The US would have to be retarded to pursue Assange to the same severity as they pursued OBL.