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Suicide rate is much higher in more socialist countries: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/ http://worldpopulationreview.com/co

Suicide rate is much higher in more socialist countries: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/ http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-c... This includes France, Finland and Sweden is just right next to the US with much lower inequalities.

tim333 8y ago
Your linked list has socialist Venezuela at #148 with 3.7 suicides /100k and now capitalist Lithuania at #1 with 31.9 /100k so the link seems unproven.
DanBC 8y ago
It's very difficult to compare suicide rates across countries. This is because they use different definitions. Your link doesn't say where they're getting their data and how they've fixed this problem.
dv_dt 8y ago
There are multiple factors correlated with sucicide, but notable is that the US rate has increased 30% during a time of decrease in suicide rate of other nations: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2018-07-02/why-are-suicide-rates-rising-in-the-us-while-falling-in-most-of-europe https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2018-07-... This one lists Belgium, Finland, France as higher rates than the US. But other research also notes differences in rates of various races, I guess whites commit suicide at a observerably higher rate too.
- patrickaljord 8y ago
  This link of yours links suicide rate to social welfare spending, this is unlikely given that France, Finland and Belgium and specially Japan offer free healthcare and have much higher suicide rates. In fact, if you take out suicide by gun in the US, you get much lower suicide rates and it is a fact that guns make suicide easier and more likely.
  - dv_dt 8y ago
    The article hypothesizes suicide increases because of reduction in social welfare spending as well as social support. And notes some correlations, and calls for deeper study. Suicide by guns don't count because?
    - patrickaljord 8y ago
      Suicide by guns counts, it just diminishes even more the inequality cause because if you take out suicide by guns then suicide rates are even much lower than in these other countries with less inequalities and free healthcare but no suicide by guns.
      - dv_dt 8y ago
        I think that's a huge unknown assumption that if there were no gun, the victim would simply not commit suicide. There might be some dissuasion, but we have no way to gauge it - and pegging it at everyone in that group would be saved if only we took away guns seems like an assumption at one extreme end.
  - sam0x17 8y ago
    Not to complicate things more, but social welfare spending != efficient social welfare spending, leading to more potentially contrary (in both directions) trends.
  - diogenescynic 8y ago
    It’s almost like there could be multiple contributing factors and there’s not a simple explanation.
jahaja 8y ago
How much is hidden by the US drug epidemic?
- diogenescynic 8y ago
  Agree, while not exactly the same I’d add up overdoses and compare both groups.

tim333 8y ago

Your linked list has socialist Venezuela at #148 with 3.7 suicides /100k and now capitalist Lithuania at #1 with 31.9 /100k so the link seems unproven.

DanBC 8y ago

It's very difficult to compare suicide rates across countries. This is because they use different definitions. Your link doesn't say where they're getting their data and how they've fixed this problem.

dv_dt 8y ago

There are multiple factors correlated with sucicide, but notable is that the US rate has increased 30% during a time of decrease in suicide rate of other nations: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2018-07-02/why-are-suicide-rates-rising-in-the-us-while-falling-in-most-of-europe https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2018-07-... This one lists Belgium, Finland, France as higher rates than the US. But other research also notes differences in rates of various races, I guess whites commit suicide at a observerably higher rate too.

patrickaljord 8y ago
This link of yours links suicide rate to social welfare spending, this is unlikely given that France, Finland and Belgium and specially Japan offer free healthcare and have much higher suicide rates. In fact, if you take out suicide by gun in the US, you get much lower suicide rates and it is a fact that guns make suicide easier and more likely.
- dv_dt 8y ago
  The article hypothesizes suicide increases because of reduction in social welfare spending as well as social support. And notes some correlations, and calls for deeper study. Suicide by guns don't count because?
  - patrickaljord 8y ago
    Suicide by guns counts, it just diminishes even more the inequality cause because if you take out suicide by guns then suicide rates are even much lower than in these other countries with less inequalities and free healthcare but no suicide by guns.
    - dv_dt 8y ago
      I think that's a huge unknown assumption that if there were no gun, the victim would simply not commit suicide. There might be some dissuasion, but we have no way to gauge it - and pegging it at everyone in that group would be saved if only we took away guns seems like an assumption at one extreme end.
- sam0x17 8y ago
  Not to complicate things more, but social welfare spending != efficient social welfare spending, leading to more potentially contrary (in both directions) trends.
- diogenescynic 8y ago
  It’s almost like there could be multiple contributing factors and there’s not a simple explanation.

jahaja 8y ago

How much is hidden by the US drug epidemic?

diogenescynic 8y ago
Agree, while not exactly the same I’d add up overdoses and compare both groups.