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Show HN: Quicksy – Jabber with phone number verification and contact discovery

40 points by inputmice 8y ago

ge0rg 8y ago
This looks like a nice way to get your non technical friends onto the federated network, and shows that xmpp really isn't behind centralized silo messengers in functionality and usability.
- stephenr 8y ago
  Most siloed messengers are XMPP.
  - ge0rg 8y ago
    Some siloed messengers offer some subset of XMPP connectivity. However, we need to differentiate multiple aspects here: - does the messenger allow users to use an XMPP client? This was possible on Facebook messenger for a while but was discontinued. - does the messenger allow users to talk to XMPP users on other servers? This used to be possible with GTalk, but only if you didn't install Hangouts and only if the other server allowed unencrypted communication (which they typically don't since at least 2013). It's possible with Cisco and was possible with Lync/Skype for Business, but only after convincing your domain admin to whitelist the remote server. - is it using XMPP under the hood? WhatsApp used to, before they mutilated the protocol. https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html lists some online gaming platforms that are technically XMPP, but it doesn't really matter for the users. Quicksy answers to all these questions with a clear "yes", giving its users (and their friends!) more choices than any other phone number based IM system.
    - stephenr 8y ago
      I don't disagree with anything you've said, maybe my point wasn't clear though. The post I replied to said: > shows that xmpp really isn't behind centralized silo messengers in functionality and usability. The siloed systems using non-federated XMPP (possibly with some private extensions) shows that it's technically very capable.
zinid 8y ago
ENUM anyone?
simlevesque 8y ago
How is it different from JMP.chat ?
- ge0rg 8y ago
  JMP.chat gives you a new phone number that you use via XMPP, with Quicksy you use your phone number to automatically discover other users on the (federated) xmpp network.
pmlnr 8y ago
Why is there a 4.99EUR fee to get an external jabber id listed?
- joshstrange 8y ago
  > We charge a small fee to enter your Jabber ID and phone number into our directory. This cross financing allows us to make Quicksy completely free for its users.
lostmsu 8y ago
Not having end to end encryption is sad.
- inputmice 8y ago
  But it has. It is enabled by default

40 points by inputmice 8y ago

This looks like a nice way to get your non technical friends onto the federated network, and shows that xmpp really isn't behind centralized silo messengers in functionality and usability.

stephenr 8y ago
Most siloed messengers are XMPP.
- ge0rg 8y ago
  Some siloed messengers offer some subset of XMPP connectivity. However, we need to differentiate multiple aspects here: - does the messenger allow users to use an XMPP client? This was possible on Facebook messenger for a while but was discontinued. - does the messenger allow users to talk to XMPP users on other servers? This used to be possible with GTalk, but only if you didn't install Hangouts and only if the other server allowed unencrypted communication (which they typically don't since at least 2013). It's possible with Cisco and was possible with Lync/Skype for Business, but only after convincing your domain admin to whitelist the remote server. - is it using XMPP under the hood? WhatsApp used to, before they mutilated the protocol. https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html lists some online gaming platforms that are technically XMPP, but it doesn't really matter for the users. Quicksy answers to all these questions with a clear "yes", giving its users (and their friends!) more choices than any other phone number based IM system.
  - stephenr 8y ago
    I don't disagree with anything you've said, maybe my point wasn't clear though. The post I replied to said: > shows that xmpp really isn't behind centralized silo messengers in functionality and usability. The siloed systems using non-federated XMPP (possibly with some private extensions) shows that it's technically very capable.

zinid 8y ago

ENUM anyone?

simlevesque 8y ago

How is it different from JMP.chat ?

ge0rg 8y ago
JMP.chat gives you a new phone number that you use via XMPP, with Quicksy you use your phone number to automatically discover other users on the (federated) xmpp network.

pmlnr 8y ago

Why is there a 4.99EUR fee to get an external jabber id listed?

joshstrange 8y ago
> We charge a small fee to enter your Jabber ID and phone number into our directory. This cross financing allows us to make Quicksy completely free for its users.

lostmsu 8y ago

Not having end to end encryption is sad.

inputmice 8y ago
But it has. It is enabled by default