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Elon Musk gets a lot of props and he was never been an automotive worker or a rocket engineer before founding the technical companies he is famous for. Are yo

Elon Musk gets a lot of props and he was never been an automotive worker or a rocket engineer before founding the technical companies he is famous for. Are you arguing that he succeeded at running a rocket company because he once programmed for a computer game?

kodablah 8y ago
Your analogy is too literal. GP is saying some relevant experience has value, not experience in every little aspect. So, with that in mind, GP is arguing he succeeded at starting/running a technical company because he once started/ran a technical company.
- SiempreViernes 8y ago
  No, he literally said > If you’re not a lawyer, don’t run a law firm and then never climbed down, just adding detail about why it was bad. You are defending a more reasonable position than the one GP expressed and I attacked.
  - mixmastamyk 8y ago
    Individuals running private companies can do whatever they want, as long as they can convince others. This is a public postion. Reasonably sure EM has also used a computer and managed technical companies. Someone who hasn't used a computer in 2018 is not suitable for most jobs, short of digging ditches.
    - perl4ever 8y ago
      In 2018, there are plenty of people who don't own a computer and have no real experience using one (other than their phone). And they are employable, because there are jobs (other than digging ditches) that don't revolve around computers. But when they apply to a sizable company, they are told that they need to come in to the employment office to fill out their application on a computer there. So I think it's pretty hard to avoid computers entirely because most things are paperless.
  - torstenvl 8y ago
    Stop straw manning. Thanks. GGGP never said that to run a law firm, you had to have practiced in every area the firm does. He never said the law firm should outsource its HR and payroll and travel, unless the managing partner had experience in those functions. He said the manager of the law firm should be a lawyer. Elon Musk has a degree in physics and began a Ph.D. program in materials science, which is probably the second-most applicable field to automotive engineering generally (after mechanical engineering). For someone doing solar cell and battery work, materials science might be the most relevant field. So tell me why you think Musk proves your point and contradicts GGGP.
overcast 8y ago
Except Elon Musk is notorious for diving deep into any subject he's involved with. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-learned-rocket-science-for-spacex-2014-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-learned-rocket... Christian von Koenigsegg taught himself how to make Hypercars. This Japanese minister has no interest in learning the topic he's responsible for on a national scale.
- SiempreViernes 8y ago
  I am not making an argument about an idiot minister, I'm objecting to the notion put forward by the GP that only those with explicit previous experience of a process can manage people performing it.

kodablah 8y ago

Your analogy is too literal. GP is saying some relevant experience has value, not experience in every little aspect. So, with that in mind, GP is arguing he succeeded at starting/running a technical company because he once started/ran a technical company.

SiempreViernes 8y ago
No, he literally said > If you’re not a lawyer, don’t run a law firm and then never climbed down, just adding detail about why it was bad. You are defending a more reasonable position than the one GP expressed and I attacked.
- mixmastamyk 8y ago
  Individuals running private companies can do whatever they want, as long as they can convince others. This is a public postion. Reasonably sure EM has also used a computer and managed technical companies. Someone who hasn't used a computer in 2018 is not suitable for most jobs, short of digging ditches.
  - perl4ever 8y ago
    In 2018, there are plenty of people who don't own a computer and have no real experience using one (other than their phone). And they are employable, because there are jobs (other than digging ditches) that don't revolve around computers. But when they apply to a sizable company, they are told that they need to come in to the employment office to fill out their application on a computer there. So I think it's pretty hard to avoid computers entirely because most things are paperless.
- torstenvl 8y ago
  Stop straw manning. Thanks. GGGP never said that to run a law firm, you had to have practiced in every area the firm does. He never said the law firm should outsource its HR and payroll and travel, unless the managing partner had experience in those functions. He said the manager of the law firm should be a lawyer. Elon Musk has a degree in physics and began a Ph.D. program in materials science, which is probably the second-most applicable field to automotive engineering generally (after mechanical engineering). For someone doing solar cell and battery work, materials science might be the most relevant field. So tell me why you think Musk proves your point and contradicts GGGP.

overcast 8y ago

Except Elon Musk is notorious for diving deep into any subject he's involved with. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-learned-rocket-science-for-spacex-2014-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-elon-musk-learned-rocket... Christian von Koenigsegg taught himself how to make Hypercars. This Japanese minister has no interest in learning the topic he's responsible for on a national scale.

SiempreViernes 8y ago
I am not making an argument about an idiot minister, I'm objecting to the notion put forward by the GP that only those with explicit previous experience of a process can manage people performing it.