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You don't need huge amounts of fat to absorb vitamins. For example, all vitamin D3 pills have a drop of olive oil. Ketotards eat a huge amount of fat thinking t

You don't need huge amounts of fat to absorb vitamins. For example, all vitamin D3 pills have a drop of olive oil. Ketotards eat a huge amount of fat thinking they are providing nutrients. Yes, you need fats, just like you need carbs, but not in excess. Meat has vitamins and minerals, too. I'm not against meat, I'm against overeating when you're 30+.

barry-cotter 8y ago
What is your point then? An all meat diet is perfectly healthy if it includes enough fat. You started off by saying that you can’t get anything but energy from fat and that you need more than energy to survive. > You cannot get "macros" from fat - you get energy, but you need more than energy to survive. That’s not true. If you eat fat as part of an all meat diet you’ll have enough energy and nutrition to survive without problems. I wouldn’t be too surprised if a diet that was mostly fat with some lean meat worked as well. > If you don't get carbs, your body breaks muscle tissue to produce it. There's also evidence that muscle is burned first before fat deposits. Neither of these are true either. If you’re fasting and you stop exercising you will lose muscle rapidly as it gets broken down but if you continue exercising you’ll lose fat and a very small amount of muscle, accelerating over time. > Ketotards eat a huge amount of fat thinking they are providing nutrients. Yes, you need fats, just like you need carbs, but not in excess. If you’re eating nothing but meat you do in fact need fat to get enough nutrients. Given that carbohydrates are unnecessary to a healthy diet and meat is also unnecessary any notion of excess that claims to be acultural is ridiculous. > Meat has vitamins and minerals, too. I'm not against meat, I'm against overeating when you're 30+. This is the first time you’ve mentioned age or overeating. Every statement of fact you’ve made has been wrong. What was the point of taking part in this discussion?
- nikolay 8y ago
  No statement I've made is wrong. Obviously, growth factors are necessary when you're young and pro-cancer when you're old and have higher cancer risks. I'm just clarifying as obviously, the obvious facts are not clear to this audience! Anyway, I keep saying - surviving and thriving are two different things. I want to thrive, not just to survive. I get tired of people giving the Inuit as an example. Yes, they survive on predominantly fatty meat (although they eat starchy roots, too, okay, "ate" as they've modernized), but I don't want to be anything like them, sorry, no offense! There are many tribes who are healthier, look better, and eat plenty of starches! Here's a recent article [1] about a tribe, which loads on starches, and looks and functions better than the Inuit. :D Food is information. Eating high-fat may give some immediate results, but we have no idea what's the effect in long-term - nobody has such diet, sorry! Also, cite a study claiming that carbs are not necessary for health? You're making a mistake again and again - just like fats carry other nutrients such as vitamin K, D, etc., carbs also come in concert with many others. It's 2018 and it's clear to all camps that refined foods are empty. I'm not asking you to eat refined tapioca starch, I'm telling you that you should eat sweet potatoes, yams, beans, legumes, etc. Of course, there's no perfect food and many plants have natural anti-nutrients just like meat and dairy do, but, again, we've evolved to handle lectins and others decently not to mention that many cooking practices also evolved unknowingly to reduce the toxicity. I am surprised that nobody here argues an obvious detriment of carbs - their role in the formation of endogenous AGEs (advanced glycation endproducts), but, of course, for their formation, you need protein, too. At the same time, animal products are rich in exogenous AGEs [2]. [1]: https://www.unilad.co.uk/life/life-of-indonesian-tribe-in-remote-corner-of-indonesian-jungle-has-been-revealed/ https://www.unilad.co.uk/life/life-of-indonesian-tribe-in-re... [2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3704564/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3704564/

barry-cotter 8y ago

What is your point then? An all meat diet is perfectly healthy if it includes enough fat. You started off by saying that you can’t get anything but energy from fat and that you need more than energy to survive. > You cannot get "macros" from fat - you get energy, but you need more than energy to survive. That’s not true. If you eat fat as part of an all meat diet you’ll have enough energy and nutrition to survive without problems. I wouldn’t be too surprised if a diet that was mostly fat with some lean meat worked as well. > If you don't get carbs, your body breaks muscle tissue to produce it. There's also evidence that muscle is burned first before fat deposits. Neither of these are true either. If you’re fasting and you stop exercising you will lose muscle rapidly as it gets broken down but if you continue exercising you’ll lose fat and a very small amount of muscle, accelerating over time. > Ketotards eat a huge amount of fat thinking they are providing nutrients. Yes, you need fats, just like you need carbs, but not in excess. If you’re eating nothing but meat you do in fact need fat to get enough nutrients. Given that carbohydrates are unnecessary to a healthy diet and meat is also unnecessary any notion of excess that claims to be acultural is ridiculous. > Meat has vitamins and minerals, too. I'm not against meat, I'm against overeating when you're 30+. This is the first time you’ve mentioned age or overeating. Every statement of fact you’ve made has been wrong. What was the point of taking part in this discussion?

nikolay 8y ago
No statement I've made is wrong. Obviously, growth factors are necessary when you're young and pro-cancer when you're old and have higher cancer risks. I'm just clarifying as obviously, the obvious facts are not clear to this audience! Anyway, I keep saying - surviving and thriving are two different things. I want to thrive, not just to survive. I get tired of people giving the Inuit as an example. Yes, they survive on predominantly fatty meat (although they eat starchy roots, too, okay, "ate" as they've modernized), but I don't want to be anything like them, sorry, no offense! There are many tribes who are healthier, look better, and eat plenty of starches! Here's a recent article [1] about a tribe, which loads on starches, and looks and functions better than the Inuit. :D Food is information. Eating high-fat may give some immediate results, but we have no idea what's the effect in long-term - nobody has such diet, sorry! Also, cite a study claiming that carbs are not necessary for health? You're making a mistake again and again - just like fats carry other nutrients such as vitamin K, D, etc., carbs also come in concert with many others. It's 2018 and it's clear to all camps that refined foods are empty. I'm not asking you to eat refined tapioca starch, I'm telling you that you should eat sweet potatoes, yams, beans, legumes, etc. Of course, there's no perfect food and many plants have natural anti-nutrients just like meat and dairy do, but, again, we've evolved to handle lectins and others decently not to mention that many cooking practices also evolved unknowingly to reduce the toxicity. I am surprised that nobody here argues an obvious detriment of carbs - their role in the formation of endogenous AGEs (advanced glycation endproducts), but, of course, for their formation, you need protein, too. At the same time, animal products are rich in exogenous AGEs [2]. [1]: https://www.unilad.co.uk/life/life-of-indonesian-tribe-in-remote-corner-of-indonesian-jungle-has-been-revealed/ https://www.unilad.co.uk/life/life-of-indonesian-tribe-in-re... [2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3704564/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3704564/