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Release notes here: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/ https://access.redhat.com/

Release notes here: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/ https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp... For those that matters, MongoDB is not included because it uses Server Side Public License: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/#web_servers_databases_dynamic_languages_2 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...

kbumsik 8y ago
Also, KDE is removed and GNOME + Wayland is default.
- pksadiq 8y ago
  > Also, KDE is removed and GNOME + Wayland is default. Yeah, and the important part is that migrating from RHEL 7 with KDE to RHEL 8 is not supported: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/#desktop_4 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...
  - recentdarkness 8y ago
    Upgrading from RHEL 6 with GNOME to RHEL 7 was not and still is not supported either ;-)
c0l0 8y ago
Interesting takeaways for me: They still use yum (instead of dnf) for managing packages, and default to nftables as the firewalld backend, while even Fedora (afaik) is still using iptables.
- apsivam 8y ago
  yum is now based on dnf https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/#software_management https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...
  - ciupicri 8y ago
    Yeah, but why not switch to dnf entirely since this is a major release? Fedora dropped yum some time ago.
    - gnufied 8y ago
      I would imagine because it will break lot of scripts that use yum tooling. Just changing binary name could be painful.
      - swalsh 8y ago
        Even on Fedora yum is still available
        Alupis 8y ago
        No, not really. You can install yum, but by default, any yum commands are translated to their dnf counterpart. (Many don't need translation other than `alias yum dnf` sort of thing)
        chr15p 8y ago
        On my fedora 29 box: [root@laptop ~]# which yum /usr/bin/yum [root@laptop ~]# ls -l /usr/bin/yum lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 5 Oct 15 12:47 /usr/bin/yum -> dnf-3 Pretty sure "yum" in rhel8 will actually be dnf as well, but keeping the name for backwards compatability
    - rwmj 8y ago
      You can type either ‘yum’ or ‘dnf’, but they decided to keep ‘yum’ to avoid a lot of scripts/documentation from breaking. ‘yum’ is a compatibility layer over dnf that keeps the old command line syntax but uses the fast depsolver, weak dependencies and other new features from dnf.
    - spicyusername 8y ago
      It is dnf, they just didn't want to change the name, so they call it yum. Enterprises are babies when it comes to change and would have been mad if they needed to update their scripts.
ciupicri 8y ago
Too bad it doesn't come with Python 3.7, only 3.6. Fedora 29 managed to switch to 3.7, although it was released just two weeks ago.
- rwmj 8y ago
  Later versions of Python will be supplied as modules. So will Python 2. They are parallel installable with "system-python" which remains at 3.6 for the lifetime of RHEL 8. (Note that in general modules are not parallel installable, but in this one case it is).
  - ciupicri 8y ago
    As a module will it have as many libraries available as the system Python? For example does it come with scipy packages, twisted, pyserial, xlrd/xlwt/openpyxl, gobject (for GTK+ apps), etc?
    - rwmj 8y ago
      AIUI the plan is to build everything for each Python module (plus system-python). However there are two things that mean it's not quite as good as you would like: (1) Base RHEL 8 will only have a fairly minimal set of Python packages (indeed, packages in general). (2) Products on top - things like OpenStack - will settle on a particular Python version (ie. module) and only be built against that version, and will require the corresponding Python module to be enabled.
- apsivam 8y ago
  I'm more surprised by the fact that no Python is installed by default on a Red Hat distribution https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/#web_servers_databases_dynamic_languages https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...
  - kbenson 8y ago
    I think Perl and Python were only ever installed by default because there were management utilities (GUI and console) written in them, so they were prerequisites for what was considered a minimal system. RHEL has been pretty good the last few years at paring down the base minimal install to actual essentials. I view getting to the point that Python is not required for a base install an achievement.

kbumsik 8y ago

Also, KDE is removed and GNOME + Wayland is default.

pksadiq 8y ago
> Also, KDE is removed and GNOME + Wayland is default. Yeah, and the important part is that migrating from RHEL 7 with KDE to RHEL 8 is not supported: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/#desktop_4 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...
- recentdarkness 8y ago
  Upgrading from RHEL 6 with GNOME to RHEL 7 was not and still is not supported either ;-)

c0l0 8y ago

Interesting takeaways for me: They still use yum (instead of dnf) for managing packages, and default to nftables as the firewalld backend, while even Fedora (afaik) is still using iptables.

apsivam 8y ago
yum is now based on dnf https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/#software_management https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...
- ciupicri 8y ago
  Yeah, but why not switch to dnf entirely since this is a major release? Fedora dropped yum some time ago.
  - gnufied 8y ago
    I would imagine because it will break lot of scripts that use yum tooling. Just changing binary name could be painful.
    - swalsh 8y ago
      Even on Fedora yum is still available
      - Alupis 8y ago
        No, not really. You can install yum, but by default, any yum commands are translated to their dnf counterpart. (Many don't need translation other than `alias yum dnf` sort of thing)
      - chr15p 8y ago
        On my fedora 29 box: [root@laptop ~]# which yum /usr/bin/yum [root@laptop ~]# ls -l /usr/bin/yum lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 5 Oct 15 12:47 /usr/bin/yum -> dnf-3 Pretty sure "yum" in rhel8 will actually be dnf as well, but keeping the name for backwards compatability
  - rwmj 8y ago
    You can type either ‘yum’ or ‘dnf’, but they decided to keep ‘yum’ to avoid a lot of scripts/documentation from breaking. ‘yum’ is a compatibility layer over dnf that keeps the old command line syntax but uses the fast depsolver, weak dependencies and other new features from dnf.
  - spicyusername 8y ago
    It is dnf, they just didn't want to change the name, so they call it yum. Enterprises are babies when it comes to change and would have been mad if they needed to update their scripts.

ciupicri 8y ago

Too bad it doesn't come with Python 3.7, only 3.6. Fedora 29 managed to switch to 3.7, although it was released just two weeks ago.

rwmj 8y ago
Later versions of Python will be supplied as modules. So will Python 2. They are parallel installable with "system-python" which remains at 3.6 for the lifetime of RHEL 8. (Note that in general modules are not parallel installable, but in this one case it is).
- ciupicri 8y ago
  As a module will it have as many libraries available as the system Python? For example does it come with scipy packages, twisted, pyserial, xlrd/xlwt/openpyxl, gobject (for GTK+ apps), etc?
  - rwmj 8y ago
    AIUI the plan is to build everything for each Python module (plus system-python). However there are two things that mean it's not quite as good as you would like: (1) Base RHEL 8 will only have a fairly minimal set of Python packages (indeed, packages in general). (2) Products on top - things like OpenStack - will settle on a particular Python version (ie. module) and only be built against that version, and will require the corresponding Python module to be enabled.
apsivam 8y ago
I'm more surprised by the fact that no Python is installed by default on a Red Hat distribution https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8-beta/html-single/8.0_beta_release_notes/#web_servers_databases_dynamic_languages https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterp...
- kbenson 8y ago
  I think Perl and Python were only ever installed by default because there were management utilities (GUI and console) written in them, so they were prerequisites for what was considered a minimal system. RHEL has been pretty good the last few years at paring down the base minimal install to actual essentials. I view getting to the point that Python is not required for a base install an achievement.