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Being a creep is not an exclusive male privilege

coldtea 8y ago
Being a "creep" is an ill-defined, all-too-often prudish notion, of "anybody doing anything someone might be offended by" especially when it involves not being totally isolated but having an interest in people around you e.g. as art subjects for street photography. Everybody that dares to cast an eye on us (man or woman as you added), without knowing us in advance (or even then) without some kind of formal consent, is suddenly "a creep". It's a sign that we forgot how to function and co-exist in a society -- with other people all around us. Everything is about our little personal space boxes... At the same time, we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms (including of our kids and pets and inanimate possessions), and at the same time we protest more than any other time when someone mind consider us a worthy subject for street photography while in public view... We have a word for this in my country, which roughly translates as "a person who can't stand to have any intra-personal/social interaction, and on such an occasion acts as if they were bitten by a fly". The dictionary translates it as "touchy", but doesn't capture the full richness of it. In any case, everybody is extra touchy nowadays.
- baud147258 8y ago
  > we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms Except that we're (we in a general terms, I've stopped posting photos on social media years ago) choosing which pictures we're posting, where and with what filters (public or friends only). For me the creep will be the person who keep looking at the same person, not just taking a look.
- Supernaut 8y ago
  > we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms Speak for yourself. There isn't a single image of me anywhere on the internet. Am I not entitled to keep it that way?
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >Speak for yourself. There isn't a single image of me anywhere on the internet. I speak of the general population. I don't understand why people who want to contest general statements with personal counter-examples. Do they feel that a statement like "we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms" means "ABSOLUTELY EVERY ONE OF US WITH NO EXCEPTIONS DOES THAT", and in all caps at that? >Am I not entitled to keep it that way? No. There are no special laws and protections about photography of people in public for example. Or against your friends posting a photo that happens to have you in it on the internet. So at best you are entitled to not upload it yourself.
    - baud147258 8y ago
      > There are no special laws and protections about photography of people in public for example Yes there are, for example in France [1]: "Before any public diffusion of a photo through newspaper or any other media (including internet), the Publisher has to obtain the autorisation from the people on which the picture is focused" This law would apply to all the pictures in the article where the people are the focus of the picture [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_%C3%A0_l%27image_des_personnes_en_France#Règles_générales https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_%C3%A0_l%27image_des_per...

Being a "creep" is an ill-defined, all-too-often prudish notion, of "anybody doing anything someone might be offended by" especially when it involves not being totally isolated but having an interest in people around you e.g. as art subjects for street photography. Everybody that dares to cast an eye on us (man or woman as you added), without knowing us in advance (or even then) without some kind of formal consent, is suddenly "a creep". It's a sign that we forgot how to function and co-exist in a society -- with other people all around us. Everything is about our little personal space boxes... At the same time, we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms (including of our kids and pets and inanimate possessions), and at the same time we protest more than any other time when someone mind consider us a worthy subject for street photography while in public view... We have a word for this in my country, which roughly translates as "a person who can't stand to have any intra-personal/social interaction, and on such an occasion acts as if they were bitten by a fly". The dictionary translates it as "touchy", but doesn't capture the full richness of it. In any case, everybody is extra touchy nowadays.

baud147258 8y ago
> we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms Except that we're (we in a general terms, I've stopped posting photos on social media years ago) choosing which pictures we're posting, where and with what filters (public or friends only). For me the creep will be the person who keep looking at the same person, not just taking a look.
Supernaut 8y ago
> we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms Speak for yourself. There isn't a single image of me anywhere on the internet. Am I not entitled to keep it that way?
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Speak for yourself. There isn't a single image of me anywhere on the internet. I speak of the general population. I don't understand why people who want to contest general statements with personal counter-examples. Do they feel that a statement like "we publicly exhibit more and more of our bodies and lives every day on several platforms" means "ABSOLUTELY EVERY ONE OF US WITH NO EXCEPTIONS DOES THAT", and in all caps at that? >Am I not entitled to keep it that way? No. There are no special laws and protections about photography of people in public for example. Or against your friends posting a photo that happens to have you in it on the internet. So at best you are entitled to not upload it yourself.
  - baud147258 8y ago
    > There are no special laws and protections about photography of people in public for example Yes there are, for example in France [1]: "Before any public diffusion of a photo through newspaper or any other media (including internet), the Publisher has to obtain the autorisation from the people on which the picture is focused" This law would apply to all the pictures in the article where the people are the focus of the picture [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_%C3%A0_l%27image_des_personnes_en_France#Règles_générales https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_%C3%A0_l%27image_des_per...