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You missed the part where the body uses Glycogen resources while on a high carb diet and stores excess carbs as fat. You only lose fat if your blood glucose lev

by _up 8y ago

You missed the part where the body uses Glycogen resources while on a high carb diet and stores excess carbs as fat. You only lose fat if your blood glucose levels are low enough. And obese people often are pre-diabetic and actually have to eat low carb and fast to get their levels low enough to actually burn fat.

nikolay 8y ago
Not at all. Don't eat excessively, and caloric restriction is the way to go and proven over the ages - Okinawans have a rule of how much to eat - read about it! Diabetic people actually need carbs as if they use insulin shots, they often get hypoglycemic. If you have an active lifestyle, your BG actually just replenishes your glycogen depots and possibly you don't have much excess fat anyway. So, live a healthy lifestyle and then a moderate diet will work just perfectly! Anyway, fat deposits in moderate size are not a bad thing. In fact, in many cases, they save lives - the evolution did not invent them without a solid reason. Yes, excessive fat is bad for men as it's feminizing, but doesn't have a huge impact on women when you look at the studies. There's also a good reason why fat is not so easily mobilized.
- nonbel 8y ago
  >"Don't eat excessively" Yes, a low carb diet makes people feel less hungry, so they eat less. A (supposedly) "normal" carb diet makes many people hungrier than they should be so they eat excessively.
  - nikolay 8y ago
    That's not true. Fast carbs make you hungry again. Slow carbs satiate pretty well. Eating frequently also makes you hungry faster. Two meals a day with slow carbs won't make you eat more.
    - nonbel 8y ago
      Well, all you need to do is try it to see for yourself. It takes a week, just eat meat and cobb/greek salad and broiled broccoli and green beans or whatever. Basically just cut out the grains (+ potatoes/fries, etc) they try to trick you into eating. That is all it takes.
      - nikolay 8y ago
        I've done it, actually, and do it frequently - as an Orthodox Christian, our Nativity Fast just started and we eat beans and lentils, and I lose weight after each fast, and I never feel hungry. Don't fall for the marketing stuff! Eat traditional foods, and you will feel great! I stopped feeling hunger after I eliminated the refined carbs breakfast from my routine, and practice 16-hour IF daily. Initially, I was into the ketotard camp, but my liver paid for the fat overload, and I did not lose stubborn fat - and how could I when I was ingesting copious amounts of it not allowing the mobilization of my own! I started to lose weight with the Orthodox fasts when you have long periods of no dairy, meat, or fish. The cycling between vegan and omnivore diets has been great, and no wonder millions have been practicing it for hundreds and thousands of years! I laugh when I see people wasting so much money on exogenous ketones or fancy fats, which nobody in human history has been eating in such amounts! This is no different than raw kale juice. People make the mistake of not understanding hormesis and that each nutrient (micro or macro) has a range of positive influence on health and any intake outside of that range is detrimental. And that this range is never open on either end! Even small amounts of radiations are beneficial and at the same time - huge amounts of plain water are toxic. The tricky part is that the rage is specific to each person, it depends on the genotype, epigenetic, and many other factors such as climate, location, time in the day and year, and so on. All these diets ignore the most recent scientific discovery - epigenetics! We should eat what we're best adapted to and I'm sure my ancestors did not eat coconut oil, nor limited slow carbs like beans and legumes. On the contrary, they've had a balanced diet, did not avoid fatty meats, but didn't overeat fat either. For sure they didn't have the habit of snacking and didn't eat breakfast, and for sure ate within 6 or 8 hours. And, last, but not least - they didn't sleep as little as I or you do. Sleep length and quality are finally getting attention in the whole puzzle of health! Chronobiology is now getting more and more attention and it goes back to what I said earlier - we should stick to what we're adapted best to... unless we want to sacrifice our lives to influence (not necessarily positively!) the lives of our successors!

by _up 8y ago

nikolay 8y ago

Not at all. Don't eat excessively, and caloric restriction is the way to go and proven over the ages - Okinawans have a rule of how much to eat - read about it! Diabetic people actually need carbs as if they use insulin shots, they often get hypoglycemic. If you have an active lifestyle, your BG actually just replenishes your glycogen depots and possibly you don't have much excess fat anyway. So, live a healthy lifestyle and then a moderate diet will work just perfectly! Anyway, fat deposits in moderate size are not a bad thing. In fact, in many cases, they save lives - the evolution did not invent them without a solid reason. Yes, excessive fat is bad for men as it's feminizing, but doesn't have a huge impact on women when you look at the studies. There's also a good reason why fat is not so easily mobilized.

nonbel 8y ago
>"Don't eat excessively" Yes, a low carb diet makes people feel less hungry, so they eat less. A (supposedly) "normal" carb diet makes many people hungrier than they should be so they eat excessively.
- nikolay 8y ago
  That's not true. Fast carbs make you hungry again. Slow carbs satiate pretty well. Eating frequently also makes you hungry faster. Two meals a day with slow carbs won't make you eat more.
  - nonbel 8y ago
    Well, all you need to do is try it to see for yourself. It takes a week, just eat meat and cobb/greek salad and broiled broccoli and green beans or whatever. Basically just cut out the grains (+ potatoes/fries, etc) they try to trick you into eating. That is all it takes.
    - nikolay 8y ago
      I've done it, actually, and do it frequently - as an Orthodox Christian, our Nativity Fast just started and we eat beans and lentils, and I lose weight after each fast, and I never feel hungry. Don't fall for the marketing stuff! Eat traditional foods, and you will feel great! I stopped feeling hunger after I eliminated the refined carbs breakfast from my routine, and practice 16-hour IF daily. Initially, I was into the ketotard camp, but my liver paid for the fat overload, and I did not lose stubborn fat - and how could I when I was ingesting copious amounts of it not allowing the mobilization of my own! I started to lose weight with the Orthodox fasts when you have long periods of no dairy, meat, or fish. The cycling between vegan and omnivore diets has been great, and no wonder millions have been practicing it for hundreds and thousands of years! I laugh when I see people wasting so much money on exogenous ketones or fancy fats, which nobody in human history has been eating in such amounts! This is no different than raw kale juice. People make the mistake of not understanding hormesis and that each nutrient (micro or macro) has a range of positive influence on health and any intake outside of that range is detrimental. And that this range is never open on either end! Even small amounts of radiations are beneficial and at the same time - huge amounts of plain water are toxic. The tricky part is that the rage is specific to each person, it depends on the genotype, epigenetic, and many other factors such as climate, location, time in the day and year, and so on. All these diets ignore the most recent scientific discovery - epigenetics! We should eat what we're best adapted to and I'm sure my ancestors did not eat coconut oil, nor limited slow carbs like beans and legumes. On the contrary, they've had a balanced diet, did not avoid fatty meats, but didn't overeat fat either. For sure they didn't have the habit of snacking and didn't eat breakfast, and for sure ate within 6 or 8 hours. And, last, but not least - they didn't sleep as little as I or you do. Sleep length and quality are finally getting attention in the whole puzzle of health! Chronobiology is now getting more and more attention and it goes back to what I said earlier - we should stick to what we're adapted best to... unless we want to sacrifice our lives to influence (not necessarily positively!) the lives of our successors!