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The argument isn't about being poor causing someone to commit crimes. That's a complete straw-man. Let's focus. The argument is about discriminatory laws and c

The argument isn't about being poor causing someone to commit crimes. That's a complete straw-man. Let's focus. The argument is about discriminatory laws and conditions forcing a percentage of those in poverty to be considered criminals. Specifically, the drug war. That was all my original comment deconstructed. We could extend the moral boundary to stealing food in order to survive provided you don't hurt anyone, but that's it. I never made any claim that being poor causes some kind of effect on people that turns them into criminals. You're barking up the wrong tree.

RobertRoberts 8y ago
>..a percentage of those in poverty to be considered criminals. Specifically, the drug war. I knew tons of people that did drugs on the streets (most of them) and none of them went to jail accept those that committed crimes while doing drugs. Is there statistics somewhere that shows "x number of people are in jail for inhaling while minding their own business"? The police are always around on the streets, they don't have time to arrest people for just "drugs". I am amazed this is the refrain still going around. Consider how many states have made weed legal now, those same states decriminalized weed decades ago. No jail for weed in a lot of places for a very long time. If you want to talk about other drugs, and pretend like they don't lead to crimes, bring up the stats, I'd be curious to know.
- kakarot 8y ago
  I got in a car accident, and it turns out the driver had a tiny crumb of marijuana in a booksack, and I got six months jail time for it because the judge was incredibly corrupt and complicit with how the system works. I watched someone else who got caught trespassing and hunting without tags, caught with several grams of marijuana, his second possession arrest, only get a few hours of community service because he wasn't poor or youthful. This charge has had an extremely negative impact on my life, and I did nothing to deserve it. Your understanding of how the world works is so small and broken, you need to work on developing empathy for others caught up in the system and stop assuming that just because they are in it, they deserve it. You have no idea what police are arresting people for outside of your little town, and it's arrogant to assume otherwise. Read that book.
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    My experiences are LA, Portland, Tampa, Key west, Phoenix, Tempe, Tuscon and a lot of other places where I was homeless. I didn't get into fights, I didn't argue with the police when they told us to move or leave an area, I was respectful and decent. While people right next to us caused problems and got arrested. So, I have seen plenty of police action, and rarely was it undeserved. I think people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions are blind to the effects they have on others and simply can't see how their actions are scary for police to deal with and feel entitled to be belligerent.
- darpa_escapee 8y ago
  > The police are always around on the streets, they don't have time to arrest people for just "drugs" Meanwhile, my local police blotter is littered with "adolescent charged with drug possession/paraphernalia" reports. > No jail for weed in a lot of places for a very long time. There are plenty of fines, and if you can't pay them, you have the option of voluntarily or involuntarily spending time in jail over them.

RobertRoberts 8y ago

>..a percentage of those in poverty to be considered criminals. Specifically, the drug war. I knew tons of people that did drugs on the streets (most of them) and none of them went to jail accept those that committed crimes while doing drugs. Is there statistics somewhere that shows "x number of people are in jail for inhaling while minding their own business"? The police are always around on the streets, they don't have time to arrest people for just "drugs". I am amazed this is the refrain still going around. Consider how many states have made weed legal now, those same states decriminalized weed decades ago. No jail for weed in a lot of places for a very long time. If you want to talk about other drugs, and pretend like they don't lead to crimes, bring up the stats, I'd be curious to know.

kakarot 8y ago
I got in a car accident, and it turns out the driver had a tiny crumb of marijuana in a booksack, and I got six months jail time for it because the judge was incredibly corrupt and complicit with how the system works. I watched someone else who got caught trespassing and hunting without tags, caught with several grams of marijuana, his second possession arrest, only get a few hours of community service because he wasn't poor or youthful. This charge has had an extremely negative impact on my life, and I did nothing to deserve it. Your understanding of how the world works is so small and broken, you need to work on developing empathy for others caught up in the system and stop assuming that just because they are in it, they deserve it. You have no idea what police are arresting people for outside of your little town, and it's arrogant to assume otherwise. Read that book.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  My experiences are LA, Portland, Tampa, Key west, Phoenix, Tempe, Tuscon and a lot of other places where I was homeless. I didn't get into fights, I didn't argue with the police when they told us to move or leave an area, I was respectful and decent. While people right next to us caused problems and got arrested. So, I have seen plenty of police action, and rarely was it undeserved. I think people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions are blind to the effects they have on others and simply can't see how their actions are scary for police to deal with and feel entitled to be belligerent.
darpa_escapee 8y ago
> The police are always around on the streets, they don't have time to arrest people for just "drugs" Meanwhile, my local police blotter is littered with "adolescent charged with drug possession/paraphernalia" reports. > No jail for weed in a lot of places for a very long time. There are plenty of fines, and if you can't pay them, you have the option of voluntarily or involuntarily spending time in jail over them.