Sutter is pretty good though, it's nice to have comprehensive care in the same EMR. Kaiser is a competitor too and is actually the model the OP denigrates as UP

Sutter is pretty good though, it's nice to have comprehensive care in the same EMR. Kaiser is a competitor too and is actually the model the OP denigrates as UPMC at reasonable costs. Stanford is also very good especially if you actually get sick and need comprehensive care.