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The article appears to be approaching the issue from a leftist perspective and only telling some of the story. Here's some contrast: US manufacturing output ha

The article appears to be approaching the issue from a leftist perspective and only telling some of the story. Here's some contrast: US manufacturing output has risen while manufacturing jobs have fallen. https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/manufacturing-for-web-PNG26.png https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/manufacturing-f... (data is from the Federal Reserve)

dustinmoorenet 8y ago
The article mentions that reality of more-output-less-jobs by stating that the workers are required to work harder, because the boss threatens automation if they don't. It is the fauxtomation (the author's word) that is scaring the workers to produce more. I guess the point of view is leftist because it takes into account the worker's welfare. That doesn't seem like a bad side to be on...
wahern 8y ago
Manufacturing output has risen in terms of revenue. That's different than saying it has risen in terms of widgets sold or some other hard measure, just as its different than in terms of per capita employment. One reason why it's important to note the distinction is because revenue can continue to rise even if manufacturing efficiency and expertise has remained the same or even declined. High labor costs in mature economies means those economies will tend to have a comparative advantage producing high-margin products even if their manufacturing expertise is declining across the board relative to low-wage countries, and even without automation. This is Economics 101, though professional economists don't always appreciate this, especially academics with an agenda like those at the Mercatus Center. Without knowing more, the fact that US manufacturing revenue has continued to climb (either in absolute or relative terms) does not refute the argument that American manufacturing is dying; not for most vernacular meanings of dying. In fact, it's perfectly consonant with that argument, and increasing revenue isn't particularly probative one way or another. (Note that I'm not arguing that US manufacturing is dying. But it does that mean that increasing labor costs in China and the shift of low-margin manufacturing elsewhere should make US manufacturers even more uneasy as it means the economics might finally be in favor of increasingly higher margin industrial processes moving to China. Depending on other factors, that could lead to a rapid, precipitous decline in American manufacturing revenue. Long story short, in the cut-throat world of global capitalism, we should be skeptical of anyone who suggests its okay to rest on our laurels. In many ways such views are even more detrimental than those who bash free markets. The surest way to be caught flat footed by free market volatility is by pretending it doesn't exist.)
- ABCLAW 8y ago
  The most recent review that controlled for electronics and computers within the overall US manufacturing numbers show very clearly that the rest of the manufacturing sector is shrinking or stagnant, while the margins associated with relatively stable electronics production are increasing and masking the gutting of the remainder of the sector.
- The_Amp_Walrus 8y ago
  > High labor costs in mature economies means those economies will tend to have a comparative advantage producing high-margin products even if their manufacturing expertise is declining across the board relative to low-wage countries, and even without automation. This is Economics 101 Can you explain this in more detail?
  - wahern 8y ago
    One of the most important, foundational concepts in economics is comparative advantage. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage and https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041615/how-do-factor-endowments-impact-countrys-comparative-advantage.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041615/how-do-facto... Comparative advantage says that even if Country X is better (e.g. more efficient, less costly) than Country Y at producing both Product A and Product B, if it's more better at producing A than B it can be more profitable to them (and everybody) to maximize their output of A and leave Country Y to produce B. In a relatively low wage country, it's possible (contingent on other factors) that the most profitable thing for that country to do is to maximize its output of the types of products that require large numbers of lower wage laborers and leave other countries to producing products that utilize higher wage labor even if the low wage country would be more efficient at producing all types of products, including those requiring highly skilled labor. Given the reality that the former types of product will tend to be low margin and the latter high margin (and, again, contingent on the exact numbers), it's entirely possible for manufacturing revenue in high wage countries to continue increasing even as the low wage country surpasses it in expertise and efficiency in producing all types of products. Again, this is all contingent on hard numbers, though FWIW in actuality this is often how things play out at a macro scale. My point is merely that the fact that manufacturing revenue is increasing in Country Y, alone, doesn't tell you much if anything about its efficiency and expertise of manufacturing either products A or B relative to Country X or even in absolute terms; and therefore it doesn't tell you much about the long-term viability and health of those industries. Factors exogenous to the specific skillset related to producing the product, such as labor costs, will often control which products a country makes, regardless of its absolute efficiency in making those specific products. The upshot is that future manufacturing revenue could be disrupted much faster than you might otherwise expect if it's controlled not by slowly changing, transparent factors (e.g. the generations it takes to build a highly skilled workforce, which may have happened without it being reflected in present market specializations) but by other factors that can change much faster (i.e. whichever factors provide the underlying comparative advantage, such as labor costs, exchange rates, or hidden or poorly understood factors).

dustinmoorenet 8y ago

The article mentions that reality of more-output-less-jobs by stating that the workers are required to work harder, because the boss threatens automation if they don't. It is the fauxtomation (the author's word) that is scaring the workers to produce more. I guess the point of view is leftist because it takes into account the worker's welfare. That doesn't seem like a bad side to be on...

wahern 8y ago

Manufacturing output has risen in terms of revenue. That's different than saying it has risen in terms of widgets sold or some other hard measure, just as its different than in terms of per capita employment. One reason why it's important to note the distinction is because revenue can continue to rise even if manufacturing efficiency and expertise has remained the same or even declined. High labor costs in mature economies means those economies will tend to have a comparative advantage producing high-margin products even if their manufacturing expertise is declining across the board relative to low-wage countries, and even without automation. This is Economics 101, though professional economists don't always appreciate this, especially academics with an agenda like those at the Mercatus Center. Without knowing more, the fact that US manufacturing revenue has continued to climb (either in absolute or relative terms) does not refute the argument that American manufacturing is dying; not for most vernacular meanings of dying. In fact, it's perfectly consonant with that argument, and increasing revenue isn't particularly probative one way or another. (Note that I'm not arguing that US manufacturing is dying. But it does that mean that increasing labor costs in China and the shift of low-margin manufacturing elsewhere should make US manufacturers even more uneasy as it means the economics might finally be in favor of increasingly higher margin industrial processes moving to China. Depending on other factors, that could lead to a rapid, precipitous decline in American manufacturing revenue. Long story short, in the cut-throat world of global capitalism, we should be skeptical of anyone who suggests its okay to rest on our laurels. In many ways such views are even more detrimental than those who bash free markets. The surest way to be caught flat footed by free market volatility is by pretending it doesn't exist.)

ABCLAW 8y ago
The most recent review that controlled for electronics and computers within the overall US manufacturing numbers show very clearly that the rest of the manufacturing sector is shrinking or stagnant, while the margins associated with relatively stable electronics production are increasing and masking the gutting of the remainder of the sector.
The_Amp_Walrus 8y ago
> High labor costs in mature economies means those economies will tend to have a comparative advantage producing high-margin products even if their manufacturing expertise is declining across the board relative to low-wage countries, and even without automation. This is Economics 101 Can you explain this in more detail?
- wahern 8y ago
  One of the most important, foundational concepts in economics is comparative advantage. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage and https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041615/how-do-factor-endowments-impact-countrys-comparative-advantage.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041615/how-do-facto... Comparative advantage says that even if Country X is better (e.g. more efficient, less costly) than Country Y at producing both Product A and Product B, if it's more better at producing A than B it can be more profitable to them (and everybody) to maximize their output of A and leave Country Y to produce B. In a relatively low wage country, it's possible (contingent on other factors) that the most profitable thing for that country to do is to maximize its output of the types of products that require large numbers of lower wage laborers and leave other countries to producing products that utilize higher wage labor even if the low wage country would be more efficient at producing all types of products, including those requiring highly skilled labor. Given the reality that the former types of product will tend to be low margin and the latter high margin (and, again, contingent on the exact numbers), it's entirely possible for manufacturing revenue in high wage countries to continue increasing even as the low wage country surpasses it in expertise and efficiency in producing all types of products. Again, this is all contingent on hard numbers, though FWIW in actuality this is often how things play out at a macro scale. My point is merely that the fact that manufacturing revenue is increasing in Country Y, alone, doesn't tell you much if anything about its efficiency and expertise of manufacturing either products A or B relative to Country X or even in absolute terms; and therefore it doesn't tell you much about the long-term viability and health of those industries. Factors exogenous to the specific skillset related to producing the product, such as labor costs, will often control which products a country makes, regardless of its absolute efficiency in making those specific products. The upshot is that future manufacturing revenue could be disrupted much faster than you might otherwise expect if it's controlled not by slowly changing, transparent factors (e.g. the generations it takes to build a highly skilled workforce, which may have happened without it being reflected in present market specializations) but by other factors that can change much faster (i.e. whichever factors provide the underlying comparative advantage, such as labor costs, exchange rates, or hidden or poorly understood factors).