We know there's a disconnect. That's exactly the problem. Without discussing these things, the bar for 'normal' will simply continue moving. Consider that in

We know there's a disconnect. That's exactly the problem. Without discussing these things, the bar for 'normal' will simply continue moving. Consider that in 2018 the term 'spyware' has essentially become meaningless because outside of FOSS products for power users and a few systems for enterprise _everything_ is doing it. I won't buy my family products that spy on them and will recommend them against buying such. They need a moderating influence that understands the issues and doesn't have a vested interest in screwing them over like advertisers do.