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LOL. There is so much "demand" for technically skilled people, yet try finding a job as an entry level dev in this market.. employers reject people left right a

LOL. There is so much "demand" for technically skilled people, yet try finding a job as an entry level dev in this market.. employers reject people left right and center for the tiniest of reasons. They want to take 0 risk of hiring someone who doesn't already have every skill they need, 0 risk of hiring someone who has made mistakes in their career, 5 leetcode rounds, 5 references, 3 past internships, 5 github projects and the list goes on. Anyone recently graduating from CS will tell you they apply to 100s of jobs to get 10 callbacks and a shot at landing 1. The problem with hiring is employers, and they just don't need to change. As much as they would like more employees, they either don't really need them as urgently as they claim, or they would rather go out of business than take a risk.

airstrike 8y ago
Either they can afford to be picky because there are plenty of candidates that fit the bill or they will eventually loosen their criteria. The problem isn't with labor demand, but with a mismatch of labor supply x demand with so many people trained for "entry level [insert current year's language / framework of choice] developer" since it requires so little effort.
dexwiz 8y ago
Schools produce Computer Scientists, but companies want Software Developers. When interviewing new grads, the CS questions are just weed out questions like a hard sophomore level class. But if you don't how to build a passable REST API, when to use an event queue instead of a database, or experience with a build system you are far from my ideal candidate. In all reality, my advice for anyone in college today is to get an internship during school, and try to convert it into a full time position. Good luck getting a position with no internship experience.
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- umanwizard 8y ago
  > Schools produce Computer Scientists This is not actually true, at least at average universities in the United States. Schools have a degree called "Computer Science" but the standards are shockingly low.
anothergoogler 8y ago
Disagree, most employers are so desperate for somebody who can show up every day and throw some code together that they will make all kinds of excuses for the candidate. Plus most interviewers know jack and are easily impressed. That said, everybody has their own understanding of "entry level." I think the market is great for entry-level/junior developers, and glutted for true senior developers. Most companies have no need for somebody's 10+ years of real experience so the ceiling is quite low, and you are "senior" after a few years.

airstrike 8y ago

Either they can afford to be picky because there are plenty of candidates that fit the bill or they will eventually loosen their criteria. The problem isn't with labor demand, but with a mismatch of labor supply x demand with so many people trained for "entry level [insert current year's language / framework of choice] developer" since it requires so little effort.

dexwiz 8y ago

Schools produce Computer Scientists, but companies want Software Developers. When interviewing new grads, the CS questions are just weed out questions like a hard sophomore level class. But if you don't how to build a passable REST API, when to use an event queue instead of a database, or experience with a build system you are far from my ideal candidate. In all reality, my advice for anyone in college today is to get an internship during school, and try to convert it into a full time position. Good luck getting a position with no internship experience.

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umanwizard 8y ago
> Schools produce Computer Scientists This is not actually true, at least at average universities in the United States. Schools have a degree called "Computer Science" but the standards are shockingly low.

anothergoogler 8y ago

Disagree, most employers are so desperate for somebody who can show up every day and throw some code together that they will make all kinds of excuses for the candidate. Plus most interviewers know jack and are easily impressed. That said, everybody has their own understanding of "entry level." I think the market is great for entry-level/junior developers, and glutted for true senior developers. Most companies have no need for somebody's 10+ years of real experience so the ceiling is quite low, and you are "senior" after a few years.