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This seems related to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18383553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18383553 (Microsoft Beats Amazon in 12-Month Cloud Reve

This seems related to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18383553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18383553 (Microsoft Beats Amazon in 12-Month Cloud Revenue), where this point was discussed almost endlessly: > These numbers are very misleading considering they wrap up things like Office into “cloud revenue.”

wlesieutre 8y ago
If the critieria for cloud is "it's a service on the internet," wait 'till they hear about Google's "cloud advertising" business. You don't even have to host your own ad servers! They just appear on your website like magic!
partiallypro 8y ago
Google also wraps GSuite into Cloud revenue, and Amazon wraps their competitor into Cloud revenue. So, it's not misleading.
- metildaa 8y ago
  What does Amazon offer for a cloud office suite though? I have never heard of one despite living in Seattle, where we see all kinds of failed Amazon expansions.
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - rdp36 8y ago
    They have email and web conferencing -- https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ I am not sure about https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ (sort of an office suite?)
    - metildaa 8y ago
      I would be hard pressed to find other Seattle businesses that use either of those products, perhaps some marketing would help with uptake.
  - awad 8y ago
    Here you go, all offered under the 'Business Productivity' umbrella of AWS: Amazon WorkDocs https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ Amazon WorkMail https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ Amazon Chime https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ Amazon Alexa for Business https://aws.amazon.com/alexaforbusiness/ https://aws.amazon.com/alexaforbusiness/
    - benburleson 8y ago
      I'd love to see the contribution these services make to AWS revenue.
    - metildaa 8y ago
      I would be seriously challenged to find more than a handful of businesses in Seattle that use any of these offerings. I don't think I have ever heard of these offerings, compared to G Suite there seems to be no marketing of these offerings. For reference, we've seen a variety of failed attempts by Amazon to expand, like Amazon Register.
filoleg 8y ago
And as discussed to death in the linked thread, what Microsoft should've done instead? Excluded Office from the cloud revenue, simply because Amazon didn't make as much money from their own office productivity suite (but still included it in their cloud revenue numbers)? MSFT used cloud revenue metrics consistent with those of the competitors (Amazon and Google), which is the proper way to do it, imo.
- wmf 8y ago
  I guess it would be more comparable if they split out IaaS/PaaS/SaaS although probably no company wants to do that.
- amf12 8y ago
  And to be fair Microsoft only includes Office365 revenue which consists of storage, active directory support and not standalone office that you can download.

wlesieutre 8y ago

If the critieria for cloud is "it's a service on the internet," wait 'till they hear about Google's "cloud advertising" business. You don't even have to host your own ad servers! They just appear on your website like magic!

partiallypro 8y ago

Google also wraps GSuite into Cloud revenue, and Amazon wraps their competitor into Cloud revenue. So, it's not misleading.

metildaa 8y ago
What does Amazon offer for a cloud office suite though? I have never heard of one despite living in Seattle, where we see all kinds of failed Amazon expansions.
- deleted 8y ago
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- rdp36 8y ago
  They have email and web conferencing -- https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ I am not sure about https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ (sort of an office suite?)
  - metildaa 8y ago
    I would be hard pressed to find other Seattle businesses that use either of those products, perhaps some marketing would help with uptake.
- awad 8y ago
  Here you go, all offered under the 'Business Productivity' umbrella of AWS: Amazon WorkDocs https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ https://aws.amazon.com/workdocs/ Amazon WorkMail https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ https://aws.amazon.com/workmail/ Amazon Chime https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ https://aws.amazon.com/chime/ Amazon Alexa for Business https://aws.amazon.com/alexaforbusiness/ https://aws.amazon.com/alexaforbusiness/
  - benburleson 8y ago
    I'd love to see the contribution these services make to AWS revenue.
  - metildaa 8y ago
    I would be seriously challenged to find more than a handful of businesses in Seattle that use any of these offerings. I don't think I have ever heard of these offerings, compared to G Suite there seems to be no marketing of these offerings. For reference, we've seen a variety of failed attempts by Amazon to expand, like Amazon Register.

filoleg 8y ago

And as discussed to death in the linked thread, what Microsoft should've done instead? Excluded Office from the cloud revenue, simply because Amazon didn't make as much money from their own office productivity suite (but still included it in their cloud revenue numbers)? MSFT used cloud revenue metrics consistent with those of the competitors (Amazon and Google), which is the proper way to do it, imo.

wmf 8y ago
I guess it would be more comparable if they split out IaaS/PaaS/SaaS although probably no company wants to do that.
amf12 8y ago
And to be fair Microsoft only includes Office365 revenue which consists of storage, active directory support and not standalone office that you can download.