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Canada is so weird to me - you have Trudeau, who is fairly left wing, you have the controversial C-16/speech stuff (I don't know enough to comment here, but pro

Canada is so weird to me - you have Trudeau, who is fairly left wing, you have the controversial C-16/speech stuff (I don't know enough to comment here, but progressives seem to like it), and then you have the Tar Sands, which are so environmentally horrible it's remarkable. You have Trudeau pushing for NAFTA to have language protecting native peoples - which is very progressive - and then you have fucking forced sterilization? It's mind boggling. It wouldn't be so weird to me if they didn't act holier-than-thou about the US, but at least Americans readily admit we're weird and fucked up.

hnal943 8y ago
Progressives have loved eugenics for at least 100 years.
ficklepickle 8y ago
Our racism is a deeply hidden, systemic kind. It is in closely held personal beliefs, but often not put on public display. It is certainly worse in rural areas. It stems from judgement and ignorance. It varies from province to province. In some places, de facto segregation still exists. Understand, consecutive generations were taken from their parents to so-called residential schools. These were highly abusive environments, similar to China's re-education camps for Uyghurs. The last residential school closed in the late 1990's. Children learn how to be parents, from their parents. For better or for worse. Take them away, traumatize them, then repeat for multiple generations and see what happens. It is not good. I'm 31. When I was in school, we didn't learn about these atrocities. Really old stuff was talked about, like 17th century stuff, but the extent of the much more modern abuses was not part of the curriculum. So the ignorance of their plight, combined with judgement of their behavior leads to the place where a doctor thinks he is doing society a favour by sterilizing this human being against her will. Unfortunately, I think we are going to have our own angry-white-people feel-like-something-is-being-taken-away-from-them-and-need-someone-to-blame movement before things can get better.
maerF0x0 8y ago
Canadian politics runs 1 politician behind: Harper was our Bush Trudeau is our Obama Kevin Oleary will be our Trump :sob:
poulsbohemian 8y ago
> but at least Americans readily admit we're weird and fucked up. Not exactly. As we saw in the duopoly article posted here yesterday, yes, there are a number on both sides that will say "the system is broken" but that is very different than acknowledging American exceptionalism. The left in the US is very aware of the structural issues, the right continues holding firm to their nationalist beliefs that do not make the admission you suggest. I concur that it would be better if more Americans could acknowledge how odd we are in relation to the rest of the world. This goes from our abstinence from the metric system all the way to continued push-back against single-payer health insurance.

hnal943 8y ago

Progressives have loved eugenics for at least 100 years.

ficklepickle 8y ago

Our racism is a deeply hidden, systemic kind. It is in closely held personal beliefs, but often not put on public display. It is certainly worse in rural areas. It stems from judgement and ignorance. It varies from province to province. In some places, de facto segregation still exists. Understand, consecutive generations were taken from their parents to so-called residential schools. These were highly abusive environments, similar to China's re-education camps for Uyghurs. The last residential school closed in the late 1990's. Children learn how to be parents, from their parents. For better or for worse. Take them away, traumatize them, then repeat for multiple generations and see what happens. It is not good. I'm 31. When I was in school, we didn't learn about these atrocities. Really old stuff was talked about, like 17th century stuff, but the extent of the much more modern abuses was not part of the curriculum. So the ignorance of their plight, combined with judgement of their behavior leads to the place where a doctor thinks he is doing society a favour by sterilizing this human being against her will. Unfortunately, I think we are going to have our own angry-white-people feel-like-something-is-being-taken-away-from-them-and-need-someone-to-blame movement before things can get better.

maerF0x0 8y ago

Canadian politics runs 1 politician behind: Harper was our Bush Trudeau is our Obama Kevin Oleary will be our Trump :sob:

poulsbohemian 8y ago

> but at least Americans readily admit we're weird and fucked up. Not exactly. As we saw in the duopoly article posted here yesterday, yes, there are a number on both sides that will say "the system is broken" but that is very different than acknowledging American exceptionalism. The left in the US is very aware of the structural issues, the right continues holding firm to their nationalist beliefs that do not make the admission you suggest. I concur that it would be better if more Americans could acknowledge how odd we are in relation to the rest of the world. This goes from our abstinence from the metric system all the way to continued push-back against single-payer health insurance.