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Also, removing the headphone jack for no reason except that it's fashionable right now.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
The conceit that it makes it slimmer is ridiculous. Give me a thicker phone to fit in that headphone jack, and while you're at it, fill the rest of the space with battery.
- reaperducer 8y ago
  And a floppy disk. An an IEEE-488 interface.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    Ok, yeah, you can exaggerate the desire for backwards compatibility, but when you change to NOT use the standard that's not the same thing at all. I believe wired headphones to still be the standard item of choice for listening, as evidenced by the extremely common need for a dongle.
    - reaperducer 8y ago
      when you change to NOT use the standard that's not the same thing at all The standard is Bluetooth now. It's time to take a giant leap into the 90's.
      - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
        Rows upon rows of headphones in stores everywhere beg to differ. It's an emerging standard, absolutely, but I have no desire to have to charge me headphones.
      - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
        > The standard is Bluetooth now. It absolutely isn't. It probably will be in a while, assuming they can get at least some of the sync issues ironed out, but it's not the current standard any more than electric cars are.
  - pickdenis 8y ago
    This argument is disingenuous. I hope people would stop spouting it. There will ALWAYS be an advantage to wired headphones over wireless: reliability and versatility. Bluetooth headphones can be VERY finicky about who they'll connect to and with how much hassle. They also cannot be plugged into a separate DAC/Amp setup. Perhaps if it were standard for headphones to allow the user to bypass the bluetooth DAC and run the drivers on our own signal, but I haven't really seen this on affordable headphones.
    - gizmo385 8y ago
      This argument is equally disingenuous because you're implying that you simply can't use wired headphones of any kind. You can still get wired headphones without a headphone jack and just use the USB-C port.
      - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
        And demolish any supposed gains in size and weight from removing the jack in the first place. The thing that gets me is, removing the headphone provides no benefit whatsoever for the vast majority of users. A few grams and some fraction of a millimeter aren't enough for you to feel the difference in your hand. If you don't use wired headphones, you gain no advantage from removing the jack. If you do use wired headphones, there's a substantial disadvantage to removing the jack. So if it doesn't benefit anyone, why do it?
    - reaperducer 8y ago
      They also cannot be plugged into a separate DAC/Amp setup. It's a telephone. It's not a giant stereo rack system with hipster vacuum tubes all around. That's where your audiophile wired headphones go.
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    A floppy drive you don't use is bulky and expensive. A 3.5mm jack you don't use makes no perceptible difference. When you remove features, there should be a net benefit to doing so.
xnx 8y ago
I prefer better water and dust resistance over having a headphone jack.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  Doesn't make much difference when you've got a wide-open power/data port right there. Unless you're using a water-resistant case with folding rubber plugs, in which case you just close the one over the headphone jack and never think about it again. I get that some people never used wired headphones and don't care about the headphone jack either way. It confuses me that so many people are urgently trying to make out like this is a net positive for the average user.

The conceit that it makes it slimmer is ridiculous. Give me a thicker phone to fit in that headphone jack, and while you're at it, fill the rest of the space with battery.

reaperducer 8y ago
And a floppy disk. An an IEEE-488 interface.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  Ok, yeah, you can exaggerate the desire for backwards compatibility, but when you change to NOT use the standard that's not the same thing at all. I believe wired headphones to still be the standard item of choice for listening, as evidenced by the extremely common need for a dongle.
  - reaperducer 8y ago
    when you change to NOT use the standard that's not the same thing at all The standard is Bluetooth now. It's time to take a giant leap into the 90's.
    - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
      Rows upon rows of headphones in stores everywhere beg to differ. It's an emerging standard, absolutely, but I have no desire to have to charge me headphones.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      > The standard is Bluetooth now. It absolutely isn't. It probably will be in a while, assuming they can get at least some of the sync issues ironed out, but it's not the current standard any more than electric cars are.
- pickdenis 8y ago
  This argument is disingenuous. I hope people would stop spouting it. There will ALWAYS be an advantage to wired headphones over wireless: reliability and versatility. Bluetooth headphones can be VERY finicky about who they'll connect to and with how much hassle. They also cannot be plugged into a separate DAC/Amp setup. Perhaps if it were standard for headphones to allow the user to bypass the bluetooth DAC and run the drivers on our own signal, but I haven't really seen this on affordable headphones.
  - gizmo385 8y ago
    This argument is equally disingenuous because you're implying that you simply can't use wired headphones of any kind. You can still get wired headphones without a headphone jack and just use the USB-C port.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      And demolish any supposed gains in size and weight from removing the jack in the first place. The thing that gets me is, removing the headphone provides no benefit whatsoever for the vast majority of users. A few grams and some fraction of a millimeter aren't enough for you to feel the difference in your hand. If you don't use wired headphones, you gain no advantage from removing the jack. If you do use wired headphones, there's a substantial disadvantage to removing the jack. So if it doesn't benefit anyone, why do it?
  - reaperducer 8y ago
    They also cannot be plugged into a separate DAC/Amp setup. It's a telephone. It's not a giant stereo rack system with hipster vacuum tubes all around. That's where your audiophile wired headphones go.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  A floppy drive you don't use is bulky and expensive. A 3.5mm jack you don't use makes no perceptible difference. When you remove features, there should be a net benefit to doing so.

xnx 8y ago

I prefer better water and dust resistance over having a headphone jack.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
Doesn't make much difference when you've got a wide-open power/data port right there. Unless you're using a water-resistant case with folding rubber plugs, in which case you just close the one over the headphone jack and never think about it again. I get that some people never used wired headphones and don't care about the headphone jack either way. It confuses me that so many people are urgently trying to make out like this is a net positive for the average user.