"But the government that delivers this poor ROI has produced John Carmack" I don't think the man did anything to deserve such an insulting blow. "Who is to sa

"But the government that delivers this poor ROI has produced John Carmack" I don't think the man did anything to deserve such an insulting blow. "Who is to say that some of the "inefficiencies" in the system did not lead to John becoming the person he is today?" If you are going to argue that it's government efficiencies that "produce" creative, productive men, rather than their parents and their own effort -- I think the burden of proof is on you. Good luck. "But if your measuring the "number of John Carmack's produced" then the government is 100% efficient." You are arguing that "as long as there is just one talented, capable person growing up in North Korea, its government is doing a splendid job and deserves all its powers. So much so they would be granted to it voluntarily by the people, even if they hadn't outgunned them in the first place. "But you can't apply that perspective to the vast majority who have not made the climb." What's your point here relating to this discussion?