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In Europe, the Venezuelan crisis is largely ignored. Where I live (Spain), our current government is more or less on friendly terms with Maduro's government and

by dgut 8y ago

In Europe, the Venezuelan crisis is largely ignored. Where I live (Spain), our current government is more or less on friendly terms with Maduro's government and there is little insensitive to do anything about it. The left-leaning media has, for the most part, ignored the topic (El Pais for one...), despite the increasing number of Venezuelan asylum-seekers arriving in Spain each year, and any meaningful efforts to boycott anything would need the media/government's support.

gaius 8y ago
In Europe, the Venezuelan crisis is largely ignored Venezuela is still considered the ideal role model by certain British politicians...
- anigbrowl 8y ago
  Only in the minds of right wing ideologues.
  - gaius 8y ago
    You mean like this guy? https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/309065744954580992?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/3090657449545...
    - pjc50 8y ago
      Can't you find a tweet that isn't 5 years old?
      - gaius 8y ago
        Do you mean one in which Corbyn admits he was wrong? There is no such tweet.
- dgut 8y ago
  I wouldn't say it's considered the "ideal role model" by some British politicians (as it currently stands), but they definitely stand on very similar ideological grounds. People like Corbyn simply think that if it's them who run the machine, things will run smoothly. That is, there is nothing inherently wrong with their ideology, the only problem with it is who gets to be the supreme leader. In Corbyn's eyes, he can do better. By the way, Podemos is the third largest party in Spain, and it supports Chavez/Maduro and it blames Venezuela's ills on US sanctions. Videos of the leader of Podemos supporting the Venezuelan dictatorship and its ideals aren't rare. Unfortunately, HN has the last years turned extremely left. They are like children who must experience pain before they understand. As a Cuban, I see through people like Corbyn and Iglesias as if I were Casper. The implications of their ideology are something the US/most of the West has not experienced yet, and as such, they're entirely ignorant about it. "The Open Society and Its Enemies" isn't a popular book among people here, I can tell you.
  - dhshahsndeisjwn 8y ago
    I'm not a Corbyn fan, but I think this is a gross misrepresentation of the current labour leadership, and their likely actions in government. I often see these kind of analogies being drawn based on a selective reading of the wide variety of regimes leftist politicians in the UK admired (or once-admired in the context of the Cold War). Can you point to any recent commentary from Corbyn or other senior labour figures (excluding Ken Livingstone, who is increasingly senile but thankfully out of the loop these days) that expressed admiration for Chavez and Maduro?
  - walshemj 8y ago
    HN is not extremely left wing the sort of rhetoric you are using - sorry to say this is exactly the sort of thing that has got America into the sorry state it is today.
  - SpanishConf 8y ago
    You mean the PP? https://www.publico.es/espana/gobierno-rajoy-vendio-venezuela-armas.html https://www.publico.es/espana/gobierno-rajoy-vendio-venezuel...
SpanishConf 8y ago
>n Europe, the Venezuelan crisis is largely ignored Sure, the last 5 years of National TV Stations here in Spain talking about Venezuela 24/7h just didn't happen. >our current government is more or less on friendly terms with Maduro's government and there is little insensitive to do anything about it. You mean the PP too? https://www.google.es/amp/s/m.publico.es/espana/gobierno-rajoy-vendio-venezuela-armas.html/amp https://www.google.es/amp/s/m.publico.es/espana/gobierno-raj... Also, yes, we're not in bad terms with Venezuela. That's basically our policy with S. America, to try to be friends with everyone. Heck, even Franco was friends with Castro. This type of policy goes a long time ago and it's not because "we are socialist sympathisers". >The left-leaning media has, for the most part, ignored the topic (El Pais for one...), https://elpais.com/tag/venezuela/a https://elpais.com/tag/venezuela/a "Sure". >despite the increasing number of Venezuelan asylum-seekers arriving in Spain each year Yes, those poor, poor migrants. https://www.eleconomista.es/construccion-inmobiliario/noticias/8253204/03/17/Madrid-la-pequena-Caracas-para-los-exiliados-venezolanos-con-dinero.html https://www.eleconomista.es/construccion-inmobiliario/notici... Most of them sadly (even the poor ones) don't give a fuck about Venezuela once they're here, because come on, will you really want to go back to a shithole vs one of the best countries in Europe in regard to quality of life and such? >and any meaningful efforts to boycott anything would need the media/government's support. Indeed. But not only "media" and "government" also other parties, like PP or Ciudadanos, which remind us of how bad Venezuela (because that filthy podemita is gonna expropriate your house, just like it has happened in Madrid with Carmena or in Valencia with Joan Ribó) but are yet to pretty much do nothing about it even when they were in power.
- mbroncano 8y ago
  > Heck, even Franco was friends with Castro Nitpick: I guess you meant Fraga
  - SpanishConf 8y ago
    Nah, Franco too. https://blogs.elpais.com/historias/2014/06/franco-y-fidel-enemigos-cordiales.html https://blogs.elpais.com/historias/2014/06/franco-y-fidel-en... Obviously the relationship Fraga had with Castro was more than friendly, it was "special" indeed so to speak.

by dgut 8y ago

gaius 8y ago

In Europe, the Venezuelan crisis is largely ignored Venezuela is still considered the ideal role model by certain British politicians...

anigbrowl 8y ago
Only in the minds of right wing ideologues.
- gaius 8y ago
  You mean like this guy? https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/309065744954580992?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/3090657449545...
  - pjc50 8y ago
    Can't you find a tweet that isn't 5 years old?
    - gaius 8y ago
      Do you mean one in which Corbyn admits he was wrong? There is no such tweet.
dgut 8y ago
I wouldn't say it's considered the "ideal role model" by some British politicians (as it currently stands), but they definitely stand on very similar ideological grounds. People like Corbyn simply think that if it's them who run the machine, things will run smoothly. That is, there is nothing inherently wrong with their ideology, the only problem with it is who gets to be the supreme leader. In Corbyn's eyes, he can do better. By the way, Podemos is the third largest party in Spain, and it supports Chavez/Maduro and it blames Venezuela's ills on US sanctions. Videos of the leader of Podemos supporting the Venezuelan dictatorship and its ideals aren't rare. Unfortunately, HN has the last years turned extremely left. They are like children who must experience pain before they understand. As a Cuban, I see through people like Corbyn and Iglesias as if I were Casper. The implications of their ideology are something the US/most of the West has not experienced yet, and as such, they're entirely ignorant about it. "The Open Society and Its Enemies" isn't a popular book among people here, I can tell you.
- dhshahsndeisjwn 8y ago
  I'm not a Corbyn fan, but I think this is a gross misrepresentation of the current labour leadership, and their likely actions in government. I often see these kind of analogies being drawn based on a selective reading of the wide variety of regimes leftist politicians in the UK admired (or once-admired in the context of the Cold War). Can you point to any recent commentary from Corbyn or other senior labour figures (excluding Ken Livingstone, who is increasingly senile but thankfully out of the loop these days) that expressed admiration for Chavez and Maduro?
- walshemj 8y ago
  HN is not extremely left wing the sort of rhetoric you are using - sorry to say this is exactly the sort of thing that has got America into the sorry state it is today.
- SpanishConf 8y ago
  You mean the PP? https://www.publico.es/espana/gobierno-rajoy-vendio-venezuela-armas.html https://www.publico.es/espana/gobierno-rajoy-vendio-venezuel...

SpanishConf 8y ago

>n Europe, the Venezuelan crisis is largely ignored Sure, the last 5 years of National TV Stations here in Spain talking about Venezuela 24/7h just didn't happen. >our current government is more or less on friendly terms with Maduro's government and there is little insensitive to do anything about it. You mean the PP too? https://www.google.es/amp/s/m.publico.es/espana/gobierno-rajoy-vendio-venezuela-armas.html/amp https://www.google.es/amp/s/m.publico.es/espana/gobierno-raj... Also, yes, we're not in bad terms with Venezuela. That's basically our policy with S. America, to try to be friends with everyone. Heck, even Franco was friends with Castro. This type of policy goes a long time ago and it's not because "we are socialist sympathisers". >The left-leaning media has, for the most part, ignored the topic (El Pais for one...), https://elpais.com/tag/venezuela/a https://elpais.com/tag/venezuela/a "Sure". >despite the increasing number of Venezuelan asylum-seekers arriving in Spain each year Yes, those poor, poor migrants. https://www.eleconomista.es/construccion-inmobiliario/noticias/8253204/03/17/Madrid-la-pequena-Caracas-para-los-exiliados-venezolanos-con-dinero.html https://www.eleconomista.es/construccion-inmobiliario/notici... Most of them sadly (even the poor ones) don't give a fuck about Venezuela once they're here, because come on, will you really want to go back to a shithole vs one of the best countries in Europe in regard to quality of life and such? >and any meaningful efforts to boycott anything would need the media/government's support. Indeed. But not only "media" and "government" also other parties, like PP or Ciudadanos, which remind us of how bad Venezuela (because that filthy podemita is gonna expropriate your house, just like it has happened in Madrid with Carmena or in Valencia with Joan Ribó) but are yet to pretty much do nothing about it even when they were in power.

mbroncano 8y ago
> Heck, even Franco was friends with Castro Nitpick: I guess you meant Fraga
- SpanishConf 8y ago
  Nah, Franco too. https://blogs.elpais.com/historias/2014/06/franco-y-fidel-enemigos-cordiales.html https://blogs.elpais.com/historias/2014/06/franco-y-fidel-en... Obviously the relationship Fraga had with Castro was more than friendly, it was "special" indeed so to speak.