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I recently toured for 5 months in the US on my bicycle. My average cost was $30 per day. That included sightseeing, an airline ticket every month and a bus tick

by nroets 8y ago

I recently toured for 5 months in the US on my bicycle. My average cost was $30 per day. That included sightseeing, an airline ticket every month and a bus ticket every month. I used Warm Showers and wild camping, so I rarely paid for housing. $7.25 per hour is enough to live on. You just need to work enough hours, do long commutes and be very, very disciplined in all your purchases.

nothrabannosir 8y ago
Just to get this clear: you’re suggesting a viable alternative to homelessness is… being homeless? Or is wild camping considered a domicile, these days?
CompelTechnic 8y ago
Question for you: at most national/state parks, there are available campsites that cost in the range of $5-$20 per night. These are advertised on their usual websites. These are sites for car camping. However, the couple times I've called, I've asked about primitive camping (aka hike into the woods and camp at the primitive sites), and it turns out that this is free. But the primitive campsites aren't ever discussed on the park websites. Does this match with your experience? Where did you usually camp?
- nroets 8y ago
  Many state parks in California has a special area for cyclists and hikers at a special rate ($5 - $10) and no reservation is needed. 1 night only in each park. AFAIK, primitive camping for a night or two in a National Forest is free. Just be far enough away from roads and water sources. And many national parks have national forests near them. Also check out freecampsites.net I did camp on private property a few times without permission and only got discovered once: It was at a church and the pastor gave me free breakfast.
elliekelly 8y ago
Even if you live in a state with no income tax, work full-time at your minimum wage job, and live as you describe (which is homeless) your take home pay would only barely cover your $30/day budget. What happens when you get sick and have to miss a shift? Or need to see a doctor? What happens if your job is in New England where it's well below freezing at night for a significant portion of the year? It's disingenuous to perpetuate the notion that "discipline" is all that's needed to survive on minimum wage and it's patently ridiculous to suggest that people on minimum wage ought to "wild camp" in order to make ends meet.
- PSZD 8y ago
  I live on less than 30/day (including rent) working a poorly paid manual labor part time job in a state with income tax. No, I don't own a car. Yes, I split housing costs with other people. > What happens when you get sick and have to miss a shift? As mandated by state law, I get paid for my normal hours. > It's disingenuous to perpetuate the notion that "discipline" is all that's needed to survive on minimum wage It's also amusing to be lectured about how your situation is impossible by people who are going into debt making 80k+ a year.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    Nobody wants to hear that there are some people who are just not equipped for an environment A) with abundant access to addictive substances and B) where economic success is dependent on being reasonably intelligent and able to delay gratification.
    - Nomentatus 8y ago
      Epigenetic damage can undoubtedly predispose one to addiction, etc. But bad health in general can get you unhoused, and there's an epidemic of chronic illness. Delaying gratification and a good IQ aren't sufficient to pave your way in the world.
  - elliekelly 8y ago
    >As mandated by sate law, I get paid for my normal hours. Paid sick time is not mandated by law in most states. http://www.paidsickdays.org/research-resources/current-sick-days-laws.html#.W-xv_CdRcWo http://www.paidsickdays.org/research-resources/current-sick-...
- nroets 8y ago
  If I had to survive on minimum wage, I would do things differently: No airline tickets, no long distance bus tickets and no sightseeing. Cooking ramen noodles instead of eating the dollar burgers at that I bought at McDonalds. I would also work much more than 40 hours a week. I would share a flat in a poor neighbourhood with someone. I'm not saying everyone has the discipline to pull it off. I'm just saying I can see how some immigrants can live off minimum wage and still send money home every year.
drewrv 8y ago
This assumes you're healthy and have no other responsibilities. A minor health problem would lead to ruin with this lifestyle, and it's just not possible if you have to care for family members.
dougmwne 8y ago
Let them bike tour (and eat cake)? Besides the camping, you also relied on the kindness of strangers for showers and other hospitality. I find your response pretty heartbreaking because it illustrates just how big of an empathy gap we're dealing with in the US between the rich and poor.
ska 8y ago
You just need to work enough hours, do long commutes and be very, very disciplined in all your purchases. This is an old idea, but it's never been a good or accurate one. I think it appeals to some people because it allows them to dissociate from any feeling of collective responsibility, by placing that on the individuals alone.
amanaplanacanal 8y ago
So you were homeless this whole time? It sounds like you are saying you can live on minimum wage if you are willing to be homeless? Do I have that right?

by nroets 8y ago

nothrabannosir 8y ago

Just to get this clear: you’re suggesting a viable alternative to homelessness is… being homeless? Or is wild camping considered a domicile, these days?

CompelTechnic 8y ago

Question for you: at most national/state parks, there are available campsites that cost in the range of $5-$20 per night. These are advertised on their usual websites. These are sites for car camping. However, the couple times I've called, I've asked about primitive camping (aka hike into the woods and camp at the primitive sites), and it turns out that this is free. But the primitive campsites aren't ever discussed on the park websites. Does this match with your experience? Where did you usually camp?

nroets 8y ago
Many state parks in California has a special area for cyclists and hikers at a special rate ($5 - $10) and no reservation is needed. 1 night only in each park. AFAIK, primitive camping for a night or two in a National Forest is free. Just be far enough away from roads and water sources. And many national parks have national forests near them. Also check out freecampsites.net I did camp on private property a few times without permission and only got discovered once: It was at a church and the pastor gave me free breakfast.

elliekelly 8y ago

Even if you live in a state with no income tax, work full-time at your minimum wage job, and live as you describe (which is homeless) your take home pay would only barely cover your $30/day budget. What happens when you get sick and have to miss a shift? Or need to see a doctor? What happens if your job is in New England where it's well below freezing at night for a significant portion of the year? It's disingenuous to perpetuate the notion that "discipline" is all that's needed to survive on minimum wage and it's patently ridiculous to suggest that people on minimum wage ought to "wild camp" in order to make ends meet.

PSZD 8y ago
I live on less than 30/day (including rent) working a poorly paid manual labor part time job in a state with income tax. No, I don't own a car. Yes, I split housing costs with other people. > What happens when you get sick and have to miss a shift? As mandated by state law, I get paid for my normal hours. > It's disingenuous to perpetuate the notion that "discipline" is all that's needed to survive on minimum wage It's also amusing to be lectured about how your situation is impossible by people who are going into debt making 80k+ a year.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  Nobody wants to hear that there are some people who are just not equipped for an environment A) with abundant access to addictive substances and B) where economic success is dependent on being reasonably intelligent and able to delay gratification.
  - Nomentatus 8y ago
    Epigenetic damage can undoubtedly predispose one to addiction, etc. But bad health in general can get you unhoused, and there's an epidemic of chronic illness. Delaying gratification and a good IQ aren't sufficient to pave your way in the world.
- elliekelly 8y ago
  >As mandated by sate law, I get paid for my normal hours. Paid sick time is not mandated by law in most states. http://www.paidsickdays.org/research-resources/current-sick-days-laws.html#.W-xv_CdRcWo http://www.paidsickdays.org/research-resources/current-sick-...
nroets 8y ago
If I had to survive on minimum wage, I would do things differently: No airline tickets, no long distance bus tickets and no sightseeing. Cooking ramen noodles instead of eating the dollar burgers at that I bought at McDonalds. I would also work much more than 40 hours a week. I would share a flat in a poor neighbourhood with someone. I'm not saying everyone has the discipline to pull it off. I'm just saying I can see how some immigrants can live off minimum wage and still send money home every year.

drewrv 8y ago

This assumes you're healthy and have no other responsibilities. A minor health problem would lead to ruin with this lifestyle, and it's just not possible if you have to care for family members.

dougmwne 8y ago

Let them bike tour (and eat cake)? Besides the camping, you also relied on the kindness of strangers for showers and other hospitality. I find your response pretty heartbreaking because it illustrates just how big of an empathy gap we're dealing with in the US between the rich and poor.

ska 8y ago

You just need to work enough hours, do long commutes and be very, very disciplined in all your purchases. This is an old idea, but it's never been a good or accurate one. I think it appeals to some people because it allows them to dissociate from any feeling of collective responsibility, by placing that on the individuals alone.

amanaplanacanal 8y ago

So you were homeless this whole time? It sounds like you are saying you can live on minimum wage if you are willing to be homeless? Do I have that right?