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exegete 8y ago
Care to summarize your conclusion so we all don't have to download the PDF?
- josefresco 8y ago
  For the lazy... > G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties. We offer our customers a detailed data processing amendment that describes our commitment to protecting customer data. Furthermore, if customers delete their data, we commit to deleting it from our systems within 180 days. Finally, we provide tools that make it easy for customer administrators to take their data with them if they choose to stop using our services, without penalty or additional cost imposed by Google >No advertising in G Suite There is no advertising in the G Suite Core Services, and we have no plans to change this in the future. Google does not collect, scan or use data in G Suite Core Services for advertising purposes. Customer administrators can restrict access to Non-Core Services from the Google Admin console. Google indexes customer data to provide beneficial services, such as spam filtering, virus detection, spellcheck and the ability to search for emails and files within an individual account. Data Processing Amendment: https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html
  - parallel_item 8y ago
    I like to think of myself as having "alternative" priorities :) Thanks a bunch!
  - choot 8y ago
    Does it stop them from finding generalities in the data and selling that info?
    - maxxxxx 8y ago
      I don't think so.
  - thrill 8y ago
    The specificity of "for advertising purposes" leaves wide open the likelihood that it is scanned for "their own purposes", per the question that was asked.
    - modernerd 8y ago
      Or for the purposes of, “spam filtering, virus detection, spellcheck and the ability to search for emails and files…”, which seems reasonable and fair.
      - emmab 8y ago
        Would "anthropology for the purpose of strategy" be reasonable/fair?
      - thrill 8y ago
        Listing multiple items does not exclude others.
  - lmkg 8y ago
    In my (non-expert) opinion, one of the most important parts of the linked DPA is where Google claims that they are a Processor and not a Controller under GDPR. A Controller has discretion of what processing takes place and how it is used. A Controller also has greater responsibilities under GDPR to both the data subject and to the authorities. If Google wants to limit their exposure to GDPR (and I see every indication that this is their current strategy), then they need to make sure they only carry out the processing activities outlined in the DPA.
Klonoar 8y ago
I used to pay for GSuite and still found my content being mined. With all due respect to Google, I find it hard to believe that they're as consistent as they believe with filtering paid vs free accounts across the service. I could be, and am open to being, wrong, though. I'm not Google. Just found myself with substantially less targeted advertising once I left. And actually that's slightly interesting - how does one determine a bug re: being the recipient of targeted ads when you shouldn't be? Probably wording it wrong without coffee in me, but I hadn't thought of it like that.
- tehwebguy 8y ago
  > found my content being mined How?
  - turc1656 8y ago
    OP indicated the reason for the conclusion - "...found myself with substantially less targeted advertising once I left"
  - danieldk 8y ago
    Besides what the parent already mentioned, I was also a paying GSuite user for some years (when it was still called Google Apps for Applications/Business). And I had e-mail contacts (Google Mail is covered by GApps) appear as suggested profiles, etc. in Google+ (then not covered by GApps). Even if there is no malice, it seems that they are not enforcing strict boundaries between their products.
    - TheReverend403 8y ago
      > And I had e-mail contacts (Google Mail is covered by GApps) appear as suggested profiles, etc. in Google+ (then not covered by GApps). It's still a Google service tied to your account, gsuite or not. It doesn't surprise me one bit that there's still a bit of integration there. They already have your email and the emails of others in your address book that you willingly gave them. It's not like they're mining you to steal those and give you creepy suggestions.

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exegete 8y ago

Care to summarize your conclusion so we all don't have to download the PDF?

josefresco 8y ago
For the lazy... > G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties. We offer our customers a detailed data processing amendment that describes our commitment to protecting customer data. Furthermore, if customers delete their data, we commit to deleting it from our systems within 180 days. Finally, we provide tools that make it easy for customer administrators to take their data with them if they choose to stop using our services, without penalty or additional cost imposed by Google >No advertising in G Suite There is no advertising in the G Suite Core Services, and we have no plans to change this in the future. Google does not collect, scan or use data in G Suite Core Services for advertising purposes. Customer administrators can restrict access to Non-Core Services from the Google Admin console. Google indexes customer data to provide beneficial services, such as spam filtering, virus detection, spellcheck and the ability to search for emails and files within an individual account. Data Processing Amendment: https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html
- parallel_item 8y ago
  I like to think of myself as having "alternative" priorities :) Thanks a bunch!
- choot 8y ago
  Does it stop them from finding generalities in the data and selling that info?
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    I don't think so.
- thrill 8y ago
  The specificity of "for advertising purposes" leaves wide open the likelihood that it is scanned for "their own purposes", per the question that was asked.
  - modernerd 8y ago
    Or for the purposes of, “spam filtering, virus detection, spellcheck and the ability to search for emails and files…”, which seems reasonable and fair.
    - emmab 8y ago
      Would "anthropology for the purpose of strategy" be reasonable/fair?
    - thrill 8y ago
      Listing multiple items does not exclude others.
- lmkg 8y ago
  In my (non-expert) opinion, one of the most important parts of the linked DPA is where Google claims that they are a Processor and not a Controller under GDPR. A Controller has discretion of what processing takes place and how it is used. A Controller also has greater responsibilities under GDPR to both the data subject and to the authorities. If Google wants to limit their exposure to GDPR (and I see every indication that this is their current strategy), then they need to make sure they only carry out the processing activities outlined in the DPA.

Klonoar 8y ago

I used to pay for GSuite and still found my content being mined. With all due respect to Google, I find it hard to believe that they're as consistent as they believe with filtering paid vs free accounts across the service. I could be, and am open to being, wrong, though. I'm not Google. Just found myself with substantially less targeted advertising once I left. And actually that's slightly interesting - how does one determine a bug re: being the recipient of targeted ads when you shouldn't be? Probably wording it wrong without coffee in me, but I hadn't thought of it like that.

tehwebguy 8y ago
> found my content being mined How?
- turc1656 8y ago
  OP indicated the reason for the conclusion - "...found myself with substantially less targeted advertising once I left"
- danieldk 8y ago
  Besides what the parent already mentioned, I was also a paying GSuite user for some years (when it was still called Google Apps for Applications/Business). And I had e-mail contacts (Google Mail is covered by GApps) appear as suggested profiles, etc. in Google+ (then not covered by GApps). Even if there is no malice, it seems that they are not enforcing strict boundaries between their products.
  - TheReverend403 8y ago
    > And I had e-mail contacts (Google Mail is covered by GApps) appear as suggested profiles, etc. in Google+ (then not covered by GApps). It's still a Google service tied to your account, gsuite or not. It doesn't surprise me one bit that there's still a bit of integration there. They already have your email and the emails of others in your address book that you willingly gave them. It's not like they're mining you to steal those and give you creepy suggestions.