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The solution isn't a ban, it's requiring they become US citizens after they get their degree. Right now we educate them and send them right back. Meanwhile we l

The solution isn't a ban, it's requiring they become US citizens after they get their degree. Right now we educate them and send them right back. Meanwhile we let in 50,000+ uneducated illegal immigrants a month. It's moronic to allow top tier talent to go back to China rather than keeping them here to benefit the US

zaru27 8y ago
I think the situation is much more complicated than that. Who do they have allegiance to? What are their ideals, inculcated from their family and society from a young age, even if they appear to you as professional and unbiased? If foreign policy becomes more hostile to China, which it has been and likely will become more so, where will the people who we've employed return to and aid instead of us? Chinese students have clearly had access to our job and research markets, but that has been changing with sinophobia, along with rising economic opportunity in China coupled with concerted efforts by the Chinese government to repatriate those educated here. So, I am taking that information into account when I say the situation reduces to the conclusion that the pragmatic solution is to drastically reduce the amount studying here. I don't think a ban would be a good idea, either. Probably the best outcome, in my estimation, would be for a bipartisan big brother to tap university heads on the shoulder and tell them to cut the inflow dramatically.
tehlike 8y ago
This is equivalent to buying citizenship with money. Sounded a bit too permissive.
UncleEntity 8y ago
> The solution isn't a ban, it's requiring they become US citizens after they get their degree...It's moronic to allow top tier talent to go back to China rather than keeping them here to benefit the US Kind of like indentured servitude, right? They also (presumably) pay full price for their education so "we" aren't educating them, they are educating themselves.

zaru27 8y ago

I think the situation is much more complicated than that. Who do they have allegiance to? What are their ideals, inculcated from their family and society from a young age, even if they appear to you as professional and unbiased? If foreign policy becomes more hostile to China, which it has been and likely will become more so, where will the people who we've employed return to and aid instead of us? Chinese students have clearly had access to our job and research markets, but that has been changing with sinophobia, along with rising economic opportunity in China coupled with concerted efforts by the Chinese government to repatriate those educated here. So, I am taking that information into account when I say the situation reduces to the conclusion that the pragmatic solution is to drastically reduce the amount studying here. I don't think a ban would be a good idea, either. Probably the best outcome, in my estimation, would be for a bipartisan big brother to tap university heads on the shoulder and tell them to cut the inflow dramatically.

tehlike 8y ago

This is equivalent to buying citizenship with money. Sounded a bit too permissive.

UncleEntity 8y ago

> The solution isn't a ban, it's requiring they become US citizens after they get their degree...It's moronic to allow top tier talent to go back to China rather than keeping them here to benefit the US Kind of like indentured servitude, right? They also (presumably) pay full price for their education so "we" aren't educating them, they are educating themselves.