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is this really that different from, say, Dell? I imagine their tech support also has a database or two.

by andylei 16y ago

grhino 16y ago
Does Dell do face-to-face tech support?
- varjag 16y ago
  They do for corporate customers.
  - unexpected 16y ago
    correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought "the Dell Guy" that comes is a 3rd party company? They'll come to your office and fix your machine, but I'm not sure that guy is a Dell employee...
    - varjag 16y ago
      No idea honestly. Our company has that "gold support" thing, so when something breaks, Dell dispatches a guy within a few hours. We deal only with Dell, not sure what is their employment/subcontracting structure is. I'm in Norway so it might be different anyway.
    - hubb 16y ago
      my father was one of those guys for this area, and he didn't work for dell
    - jamesbritt 16y ago
      The guy who came to fix my current laptop was a contractor. Also very concerned about my giving a nice service rating. (Which I did, because he was good.)
    - kjhgfkjmhng 16y ago
      They are and the system demonstrates how badly it works compared to Apple. I had a Dell with a faulty touchpad - it took 12 TWELVE onsite visits to fix it. That included 2 visits where the tech had been given the wrong part and 2 to replace parts that had been broken by the previous tech. Every visit was a new person, none of them knew that the part they were swapping had already been swapped 6times before - until finally they stopped swapping the touchpad and replaced the motherboard. But the info that this release MB was faulty was all over the net - it was only Dell that was unaware of it.
      - eitland 16y ago
        At one site where I worked we had somewhere between 20 and 30 Dell Optiplex desktops breaking down due to this http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4 http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4 Every time a skilled technician (InfoCare business support in Norway) would arrive within the time frame specified in the support contract, change the motherboard and make sure everything worked smoothly.
      - varjag 16y ago
        Well here a lot of my friends had problems with Powerbooks and simply abysmal service from Apple, while Dell Norway for us was impeccable on several occasions. Can be just a regional thing.
    - sprout 16y ago
      When you have high-quality documentation available to the public, you don't need specially trained engineers. Apple's secrecy creates an artificial scarcity which they can capitalize on.
- golgo13 16y ago
  For an Optiplex, Inspiron or a Latitude, no. You'll get a Banctec guy. For Poweredge, SANs and such, you get a Dell badged dude, based on your contract.
mynameishere 16y ago
It's not different than any large company in the world.
credo 16y ago
I bought a Dell server 3 years ago, its power supply is now damaged (because of a power outage and failure of the surge protector). It is unclear whether there is more damage, but the first thing to do is to try using a new power supply. I called Dell to order a new power supply. They didn't have it in stock, but promised to get back to me by the next Monday. They never got back to me. A week after that Monday, I called them again and they directed me to a third-party supplier. That supplier listed the price of the power supply at $259.99 (the power supply is not available in any local store in the Seattle area) In fairness, Dell sells PCs at low prices, Apple sells their products at premium prices and so it may not be fair to compare the two. However, in terms of customer support, it is hard to see how you could be correct in suggesting that Dell's customer database and awareness of customer concerns is anywhere close to that of Apple.
- ghshephard 16y ago
  Also, to be Fair - Dell is optimized for supporting the poweredge line with a support contract, which it offers in 4 Hours turnaround time. Since 1999 I've had roughly 600 Dell Servers under active support at three companies in the Bay Area, and have probably called dell about 20-30 times. They've never missed their support window of 4 hours (come close several times, but by the 240th minute, I've always had part and a body on site). Ironically, Apple still doesn't make it easy to purchase that type of support for their product. The typical answer is "Take it to the genius bar" - Apple is optimized for consumers, Dell is optimized for corporations. Also - None of the people who come on site, for parts or labor, are actual "Dell Employees" - they are subcontractors that are typically certified on a number of platforms - Dell is just one of them.
  - culturestate 16y ago
    AppleCare Premium provides similar 4-hour onsite for XServes, and in my (admittedly singular instance) experience, they meet their commitment.
- jamesbritt 16y ago
  I bought a Dell laptop a few years ago, and the main battery went flakey. I still had a service agreement in place, so I called them up. After a few minutes dancing around the "I don't have Windows installed" prelude I explained the behavior and was all set. Had a new battery show up at my house either the next day or the day after, with postage-paid packaging to send back the old one. Pretty sweet.
loewenskind 16y ago
Dell contracts out the bodies that go onsite to service their warranties. I once did a few of these contracts. When you get onsite you're just supposed to call and do everything you're told. You're literally just their eyes and hands. If you try to figure things out on your own you'll just be ignored and if you persist the contract will be canceled and you wont be paid. I was looking at the PC of one of these poor customers, Dell was having me do a couple of power checks. At the end of it they said "we've ordered a new power supply, you'll have it in 2 days". When I hung up the customer says to me "they didn't say power supply did they? This will be the third one. Why doesn't someone actually figure out what's wrong with my computer?" I've never touched a Dell product since that day.
- ZeroGravitas 16y ago
  My friend switched to the Mac mostly because of my example (though I shy away from advocacy) and his iMac had multiple, far more invasive repairs including at least two motherboard replacements. Eventually my Mac expertise helped because I picked up on forums that 3 major repairs was usually enough to argue for a replacement (or similar, the details are hazy with time). A rough introduction, but he's now the proud owner of many, many iPods, multiple iPhones, Airports, iMacs and Macbooks and probably going to get an iPad. I'm sure there are stats available that would reveal exactly who is more likely to sell a defective device rather than rely on anecdotes. What I am happy to offer as an anecdote is that there is clearly a certain kind of Apple purchaser, who even when returning a faulty product(!), will managed to convince themselves that Apple has some magical process that is unavailable to any other company, when generally almost everything they do (excepting the rare flash of brilliance) is fairly bog standard and boring, if not inferior to the competition (e.g. A4 is slightly worse than Samsung's sister chip in it's phones, PPC was in later days much slower than intel except in carefully staged Altivec bake-offs).
  - metageek 16y ago
    Yum, Baked Altivec!
  - loewenskind 16y ago

is this really that different from, say, Dell? I imagine their tech support also has a database or two.

by andylei 16y ago

is this really that different from, say, Dell? I imagine their tech support also has a database or two.

grhino 16y ago

Does Dell do face-to-face tech support?

varjag 16y ago
They do for corporate customers.
- unexpected 16y ago
  correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought "the Dell Guy" that comes is a 3rd party company? They'll come to your office and fix your machine, but I'm not sure that guy is a Dell employee...
  - varjag 16y ago
    No idea honestly. Our company has that "gold support" thing, so when something breaks, Dell dispatches a guy within a few hours. We deal only with Dell, not sure what is their employment/subcontracting structure is. I'm in Norway so it might be different anyway.
  - hubb 16y ago
    my father was one of those guys for this area, and he didn't work for dell
  - jamesbritt 16y ago
    The guy who came to fix my current laptop was a contractor. Also very concerned about my giving a nice service rating. (Which I did, because he was good.)
  - kjhgfkjmhng 16y ago
    They are and the system demonstrates how badly it works compared to Apple. I had a Dell with a faulty touchpad - it took 12 TWELVE onsite visits to fix it. That included 2 visits where the tech had been given the wrong part and 2 to replace parts that had been broken by the previous tech. Every visit was a new person, none of them knew that the part they were swapping had already been swapped 6times before - until finally they stopped swapping the touchpad and replaced the motherboard. But the info that this release MB was faulty was all over the net - it was only Dell that was unaware of it.
    - eitland 16y ago
      At one site where I worked we had somewhere between 20 and 30 Dell Optiplex desktops breaking down due to this http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4 http://www.badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4 Every time a skilled technician (InfoCare business support in Norway) would arrive within the time frame specified in the support contract, change the motherboard and make sure everything worked smoothly.
    - varjag 16y ago
      Well here a lot of my friends had problems with Powerbooks and simply abysmal service from Apple, while Dell Norway for us was impeccable on several occasions. Can be just a regional thing.
  - sprout 16y ago
    When you have high-quality documentation available to the public, you don't need specially trained engineers. Apple's secrecy creates an artificial scarcity which they can capitalize on.
golgo13 16y ago
For an Optiplex, Inspiron or a Latitude, no. You'll get a Banctec guy. For Poweredge, SANs and such, you get a Dell badged dude, based on your contract.

mynameishere 16y ago

It's not different than any large company in the world.

credo 16y ago

I bought a Dell server 3 years ago, its power supply is now damaged (because of a power outage and failure of the surge protector). It is unclear whether there is more damage, but the first thing to do is to try using a new power supply. I called Dell to order a new power supply. They didn't have it in stock, but promised to get back to me by the next Monday. They never got back to me. A week after that Monday, I called them again and they directed me to a third-party supplier. That supplier listed the price of the power supply at $259.99 (the power supply is not available in any local store in the Seattle area) In fairness, Dell sells PCs at low prices, Apple sells their products at premium prices and so it may not be fair to compare the two. However, in terms of customer support, it is hard to see how you could be correct in suggesting that Dell's customer database and awareness of customer concerns is anywhere close to that of Apple.

ghshephard 16y ago
Also, to be Fair - Dell is optimized for supporting the poweredge line with a support contract, which it offers in 4 Hours turnaround time. Since 1999 I've had roughly 600 Dell Servers under active support at three companies in the Bay Area, and have probably called dell about 20-30 times. They've never missed their support window of 4 hours (come close several times, but by the 240th minute, I've always had part and a body on site). Ironically, Apple still doesn't make it easy to purchase that type of support for their product. The typical answer is "Take it to the genius bar" - Apple is optimized for consumers, Dell is optimized for corporations. Also - None of the people who come on site, for parts or labor, are actual "Dell Employees" - they are subcontractors that are typically certified on a number of platforms - Dell is just one of them.
- culturestate 16y ago
  AppleCare Premium provides similar 4-hour onsite for XServes, and in my (admittedly singular instance) experience, they meet their commitment.
jamesbritt 16y ago
I bought a Dell laptop a few years ago, and the main battery went flakey. I still had a service agreement in place, so I called them up. After a few minutes dancing around the "I don't have Windows installed" prelude I explained the behavior and was all set. Had a new battery show up at my house either the next day or the day after, with postage-paid packaging to send back the old one. Pretty sweet.

loewenskind 16y ago

Dell contracts out the bodies that go onsite to service their warranties. I once did a few of these contracts. When you get onsite you're just supposed to call and do everything you're told. You're literally just their eyes and hands. If you try to figure things out on your own you'll just be ignored and if you persist the contract will be canceled and you wont be paid. I was looking at the PC of one of these poor customers, Dell was having me do a couple of power checks. At the end of it they said "we've ordered a new power supply, you'll have it in 2 days". When I hung up the customer says to me "they didn't say power supply did they? This will be the third one. Why doesn't someone actually figure out what's wrong with my computer?" I've never touched a Dell product since that day.

ZeroGravitas 16y ago
My friend switched to the Mac mostly because of my example (though I shy away from advocacy) and his iMac had multiple, far more invasive repairs including at least two motherboard replacements. Eventually my Mac expertise helped because I picked up on forums that 3 major repairs was usually enough to argue for a replacement (or similar, the details are hazy with time). A rough introduction, but he's now the proud owner of many, many iPods, multiple iPhones, Airports, iMacs and Macbooks and probably going to get an iPad. I'm sure there are stats available that would reveal exactly who is more likely to sell a defective device rather than rely on anecdotes. What I am happy to offer as an anecdote is that there is clearly a certain kind of Apple purchaser, who even when returning a faulty product(!), will managed to convince themselves that Apple has some magical process that is unavailable to any other company, when generally almost everything they do (excepting the rare flash of brilliance) is fairly bog standard and boring, if not inferior to the competition (e.g. A4 is slightly worse than Samsung's sister chip in it's phones, PPC was in later days much slower than intel except in carefully staged Altivec bake-offs).
- metageek 16y ago
  Yum, Baked Altivec!
- loewenskind 16y ago