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I find it just insane that it is socially accepted and normal to walk besides cars, cross in front of them, etc. They are killing machines driven by idiots wit

I find it just insane that it is socially accepted and normal to walk besides cars, cross in front of them, etc. They are killing machines driven by idiots with low IQs. Why do I need to put my life in their hands every single day?

mikejb 8y ago
> They are killing machines driven by idiots with low IQs. You don't have to go that far. Smart people drive cars and they fuck up just as much. We (humans) just suck generally at that task, and with more and more assistive features coming in, the attention paid to driving is going down even more.
sowbug 8y ago
They were grandfathered. It's hard to imagine how cars could be introduced into the world today as a new invention that kills a million perfectly healthy people each year.
- djsumdog 8y ago
  That's the classic John Stossle argument he made in the 90s with natural gas. I dunno. There is a huge risk with driverless cars. I'm still questioning the tech. This is an incredibly hard problem and edge cases mean people die. This is one technology I won't be an early adopter of.
  - piker 8y ago
    > This is one technology I won't be an early adopter of. Oh, but you will.
  - mulletbum 8y ago
    I just paint it like this: If you made a teleportation system where you could step in and come out the other end anywhere in the world, but there is a 1 in 1000 chance you step in and turn to green goo on the other end, should we still adopt it? You basically save millions of lives, but people have seem to come to the notion that they protect their own fate when in a car (which is 100% untrue). You may be able to mitigate some accidents, but getting T-boned at an intersection when you have a green light, but no visibility, is possible every single day. Your wheel bearing could blow out on the highway and send you rolling into a ditch. A deer could step out in front of you and go through your windshield and kill you. You have no ability to save yourself other than praying.
    - acct1771 8y ago
      It's people like you that make people wary of mandatory vaccines.
  - mikejb 8y ago
    I very much understand your hesitation; And I agree that the tech is still unproven - also because there's no single "Tech", but different approaches from different companies with highly varying aims and safety standards. But the edge-case argument also applies to human drivers. We suck at sudden, unexpected reactions. We panic. We overreact. We die. We kill. I'm not saying that Self-Driving cars should just go on the road now no matter what - but the point of "edge cases kill people" is a perfectly valid argument against the status quo.
monk_e_boy 8y ago
You put your life in the hands of plenty of machines, every day.

mikejb 8y ago

> They are killing machines driven by idiots with low IQs. You don't have to go that far. Smart people drive cars and they fuck up just as much. We (humans) just suck generally at that task, and with more and more assistive features coming in, the attention paid to driving is going down even more.

sowbug 8y ago

They were grandfathered. It's hard to imagine how cars could be introduced into the world today as a new invention that kills a million perfectly healthy people each year.

djsumdog 8y ago
That's the classic John Stossle argument he made in the 90s with natural gas. I dunno. There is a huge risk with driverless cars. I'm still questioning the tech. This is an incredibly hard problem and edge cases mean people die. This is one technology I won't be an early adopter of.
- piker 8y ago
  > This is one technology I won't be an early adopter of. Oh, but you will.
- mulletbum 8y ago
  I just paint it like this: If you made a teleportation system where you could step in and come out the other end anywhere in the world, but there is a 1 in 1000 chance you step in and turn to green goo on the other end, should we still adopt it? You basically save millions of lives, but people have seem to come to the notion that they protect their own fate when in a car (which is 100% untrue). You may be able to mitigate some accidents, but getting T-boned at an intersection when you have a green light, but no visibility, is possible every single day. Your wheel bearing could blow out on the highway and send you rolling into a ditch. A deer could step out in front of you and go through your windshield and kill you. You have no ability to save yourself other than praying.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    It's people like you that make people wary of mandatory vaccines.
- mikejb 8y ago
  I very much understand your hesitation; And I agree that the tech is still unproven - also because there's no single "Tech", but different approaches from different companies with highly varying aims and safety standards. But the edge-case argument also applies to human drivers. We suck at sudden, unexpected reactions. We panic. We overreact. We die. We kill. I'm not saying that Self-Driving cars should just go on the road now no matter what - but the point of "edge cases kill people" is a perfectly valid argument against the status quo.

monk_e_boy 8y ago

You put your life in the hands of plenty of machines, every day.