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I was making two separate points about current assistance technology and the capabilities of LIDAR. (I think the technology in Tesla's are pretty good - Elon te

by jimmy1 8y ago

I was making two separate points about current assistance technology and the capabilities of LIDAR. (I think the technology in Tesla's are pretty good - Elon tends to think LIDAR isn't necessary, who is to say he is wrong and their opinion is any more or less valid?) In either case, it isn't hard to imagine, the fundamental algorithms are the same -- recognize lane markings, adjust steering wheel, that kind of thinking. What do you do in the case that the lane markings have been worn down on the road? Freshly paved roads that haven't been painted? I could go on ad nauseam but point remains: too many corner cases, lidar or not.

xapata 8y ago
> too many corner cases No more than a human needs to handle.
- fjsolwmv 8y ago
  Humans are allowed more failures than auto autos.
jsight 8y ago
I'm not sure why you are getting downvoted, tbh. LIDAR helps, but is certainly not sufficient for many of the reasons that you mention. There is a reason that these will be severely geographically restricted for a significant period of time.
davidcbc 8y ago
Teslas also like to accelerate into road barriers. It is hard to consider them a legitimate competitor in the self driving space right now.
- Animats 8y ago
  Yes. Tesla pulled their self-driving claim last month.[1] Their self-driving video, from 2016, was apparently the one trial that worked out of a large number of tries. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/20/18000884/tesla-full-self-driving-option-gone-musk-autopilot https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/20/18000884/tesla-full-self...
  - unityByFreedom 8y ago
    > Their self-driving video, from 2016, was apparently the one trial that worked out of a large number of tries. Are you speculating, or is there a source for this point? I don't doubt it, just wondering, as I think evidence for this would be fairly incriminating.
    - Animats 8y ago
      Evidence: [1] [1] https://dailykanban.com/2017/02/ca-dmv-report-sheds-new-light-misleading-tesla-autonomous-drive-video/ https://dailykanban.com/2017/02/ca-dmv-report-sheds-new-ligh...
      - unityByFreedom 8y ago
        > combined with eyewitness reports of multiple days worth of filming, it’s clear that at a minimum Tesla’s system had many attempts to practice the route before recording a truly autonomous run. Interesting. I'm a little surprised this did not get more coverage.

by jimmy1 8y ago

xapata 8y ago

> too many corner cases No more than a human needs to handle.

fjsolwmv 8y ago
Humans are allowed more failures than auto autos.

jsight 8y ago

I'm not sure why you are getting downvoted, tbh. LIDAR helps, but is certainly not sufficient for many of the reasons that you mention. There is a reason that these will be severely geographically restricted for a significant period of time.

davidcbc 8y ago

Teslas also like to accelerate into road barriers. It is hard to consider them a legitimate competitor in the self driving space right now.

Animats 8y ago
Yes. Tesla pulled their self-driving claim last month.[1] Their self-driving video, from 2016, was apparently the one trial that worked out of a large number of tries. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/20/18000884/tesla-full-self-driving-option-gone-musk-autopilot https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/20/18000884/tesla-full-self...
- unityByFreedom 8y ago
  > Their self-driving video, from 2016, was apparently the one trial that worked out of a large number of tries. Are you speculating, or is there a source for this point? I don't doubt it, just wondering, as I think evidence for this would be fairly incriminating.
  - Animats 8y ago
    Evidence: [1] [1] https://dailykanban.com/2017/02/ca-dmv-report-sheds-new-light-misleading-tesla-autonomous-drive-video/ https://dailykanban.com/2017/02/ca-dmv-report-sheds-new-ligh...
    - unityByFreedom 8y ago
      > combined with eyewitness reports of multiple days worth of filming, it’s clear that at a minimum Tesla’s system had many attempts to practice the route before recording a truly autonomous run. Interesting. I'm a little surprised this did not get more coverage.