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Will none of them ever require police assistance? Fire protection? Will they ride the subway? Will they use the streets and bridges? Will they drink city water?
by the_gastropod 8y ago
Will none of them ever require police assistance? Fire protection? Will they ride the subway? Will they use the streets and bridges? Will they drink city water? Or use plumbing? Will they vote?
Maintaining infrastructure and services for residents of a city costs money. Adding ~25,000 residents will absolutely increase these expenses. The additional tax revenue will almost certainly more than cover it. But let's not pretend that tax revenue is "free".
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- onetimemanytime 8y ago>>But let's not pretend that tax revenue is "free". Oh, in NY and similar cities surely it is not free: you pay a substantial state tax AND a city tax. Not to mention a fat sales tax and fees on roads and bridges. But if you rent in X neighborhood and live there you generally paid your dues on services. Let's not forget that people (especially AMZN /GOOG / FB employees) also pay fed taxes, that trickle down to states for infrastructure etc etc. Not crying about NY state fat cats wanting $500K pension after "working" for the state.
- the_gastropod 8y agoBrooklyn resident here ;-) But I think you may have missed my point: there are expenses for city residents. A non-zero percentage of these new residents' tax revenues will be spent on the residents themselves.
- cepth 8y agoJust for the sake of accuracy, most of the Northeast states are net givers in terms of federal taxation. I.e. for every $1 that NY sends to the federal government in federal taxes, it receives something like ~$0.80 in spending: https://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/releases/oct17/100317.htm https://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/releases/oct17/100317.htm. Most of the money that NY receives is for Medicaid and other entitlements. NY receives every year a total of $165 per capita for transit, slightly less than the national average of $168. When considering the cost of labor and materials in NY, that gap is probably much larger in real purchasing terms. On the other hand, NY state directly spends $639.2 per capita on transportation annually: https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2019NYdn_20ds2n_60#usgs302 https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2019NYdn_.... The actual cost of the "pensions" you deride is $1085.2 per capita per year to the state. If you look at total state and local spending, the total costs of pensions are $1758 per capita per year, and transportation is $1788.8 per year. Neither reaches 10% of total statewide spending. This doesn't directly negate your point about federal money trickling down, but NY is not receiving very meaningful assistance from the federal government.
- onetimemanytime 8y agoI am sorry, but a lot of states--if not most--have lower taxes than NYC. Amazon is bringing 25,000 people earning probably over $100K per person and Amazon will be here for (at least) another 20-30 years. That person is buying a condo, eating at NY restaurants, paying local state and payroll taxes, dry cleaning at local stores, buying clothes locally, etc etc etc. We know that people at that age virtually spend all their money...so what if AMZN got an x% discount on volume? What more do you want?
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- megaremote 8y agoYou don't seem to be listening at all.
- tracker1 8y agoWhere do you think police and fire funding comes from? It's taxes, paid by residents, and patrons to businesses... it's not like the people moving in will just take, and not pay any taxes at all.
- brianpgordon 8y agoWhat position do you think you're arguing against? Because it's not what the actual topic in this thread is. CydeWeys simply pointed out that the state needs to make more than $6,100 in additional revenue from each worker because they're not just paying Amazon's tax incentives (which cost $6,100)- they're also paying to provide police/fire/etc coverage for the new worker.