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I totally disagree and the evidence is Android. A) Android doesn't have some vast and ugly problem with malfeasance. B) It's entirely possible to educate cust

I totally disagree and the evidence is Android. A) Android doesn't have some vast and ugly problem with malfeasance. B) It's entirely possible to educate customers that if they go outside of respected shops - they run the risk of problems. C) The 'Windows' analogy doesn't really hold because mobile OS APIs are totally locked down. Any app installed on Windows/Mac can effectively wipe out your machine. It's a huge risk. An android app has very limited API access, moreover, the user has to grant explicit rights. Fortnight is not a bad example of anything really. There's no evidence that people really benefit from fully walled garden. Moreover, there's evidence that they can't get the apps and functionality they need, because there are quite a number of apps that simply cannot be easily developed and deployed in iPhone - so many corporate and B2B apps. It's possible in only limited scenarios. The 'security' issue is not real. It's a tactic by Apple to control the market and that's mostly it.

scarface74 8y ago
A) Android doesn't have some vast and ugly problem with malfeasance. https://drfone.wondershare.com/android-tips/top-android-virues-list.html https://drfone.wondershare.com/android-tips/top-android-viru... It's entirely possible to educate customers that if they go outside of respected shops - they run the risk of problems. People have been saying the same thing about PCs since the 80s. How has that worked out? An android app has very limited API access, moreover, the user has to grant explicit rights. Like “Access File System”,”read phone state”, etc.? Fortnite isn’t a good example of anything. https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-for-android-came-with-an-epic-security-risk/ https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-fo... There's no evidence that people really benefit from fully walled garden. Except that you never hear about the malware on iOS that is able to be installed on Android devices. There's no evidence that people really benefit from fully walled garden. There is plenty of B2B software on iOS, a large multinational company I use to work for distributed all types of apps for their employees that never went through the App Store. Another company I worked for distributed B2B software for other customers. Moreover, there's evidence that they can't get the apps and functionality they need, What apps does the general non techie consumer “need” or “want” that they can’t get on iOS.
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  A windows app can do anything do your computer. Spyware, malware, erase the hard drive. No permissions needed. Android - it's very limited what they can do - and they need permission. This is perfectly fair. There is basically no reason for a walled garden - that 'there exists some malware' on Android is not evidence that 'open' is a problem, it's just evidence that 'open will have some problems' - which I admit. The very minor issues that can exist on Android are easily worth the open nature of the platform. "What apps can't I get" ? Well, this HN reader for one. There are 100x more examples of decent apps being rejected from iOS than there are serious problems in Android.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Android - it's very limited what they can do - and they need permission Have you seen the list of permissions that allow an app to do basically anything on an Android phone? And if you think asking for permission before an app is granted these widespread permission are good enough, that’s just about as effective as UAC was on Vista. There is basically no reason for a walled garden - that 'there exists some malware' on Android is not evidence that 'open' is a problem, it's just evidence that 'open will have some problems' - which I admit. The very minor issues that can exist on Android are easily worth the open nature of the platform. It may be worth it to you but not to the millions of people that click yes to every dialog box. These are the same people that have ten toolbars on their web browser. Well, this HN reader for one. There are 100x more examples of decent apps being rejected from iOS than there are serious problems in Android. The people who want an app to read Hacker News are dwarfed by the amount of people who would just as easily install ransomware on their phone as they would on Windows. I’ll install almost any app on my phone/iPad/AppleTV just to try out because it can’t do any harm. I would have to treat an Android phone like I treat installing software on Windows - only from a few trusted sources. You can’t even install CloudFlare’s recently released app without it asking for microphone access and file access.
- im3w1l 8y ago
  There are a few things, but porn games is probably the biggest.

scarface74 8y ago

A) Android doesn't have some vast and ugly problem with malfeasance. https://drfone.wondershare.com/android-tips/top-android-virues-list.html https://drfone.wondershare.com/android-tips/top-android-viru... It's entirely possible to educate customers that if they go outside of respected shops - they run the risk of problems. People have been saying the same thing about PCs since the 80s. How has that worked out? An android app has very limited API access, moreover, the user has to grant explicit rights. Like “Access File System”,”read phone state”, etc.? Fortnite isn’t a good example of anything. https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-for-android-came-with-an-epic-security-risk/ https://www.cnet.com/news/just-as-critics-feared-fortnite-fo... There's no evidence that people really benefit from fully walled garden. Except that you never hear about the malware on iOS that is able to be installed on Android devices. There's no evidence that people really benefit from fully walled garden. There is plenty of B2B software on iOS, a large multinational company I use to work for distributed all types of apps for their employees that never went through the App Store. Another company I worked for distributed B2B software for other customers. Moreover, there's evidence that they can't get the apps and functionality they need, What apps does the general non techie consumer “need” or “want” that they can’t get on iOS.

sonnyblarney 8y ago
A windows app can do anything do your computer. Spyware, malware, erase the hard drive. No permissions needed. Android - it's very limited what they can do - and they need permission. This is perfectly fair. There is basically no reason for a walled garden - that 'there exists some malware' on Android is not evidence that 'open' is a problem, it's just evidence that 'open will have some problems' - which I admit. The very minor issues that can exist on Android are easily worth the open nature of the platform. "What apps can't I get" ? Well, this HN reader for one. There are 100x more examples of decent apps being rejected from iOS than there are serious problems in Android.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Android - it's very limited what they can do - and they need permission Have you seen the list of permissions that allow an app to do basically anything on an Android phone? And if you think asking for permission before an app is granted these widespread permission are good enough, that’s just about as effective as UAC was on Vista. There is basically no reason for a walled garden - that 'there exists some malware' on Android is not evidence that 'open' is a problem, it's just evidence that 'open will have some problems' - which I admit. The very minor issues that can exist on Android are easily worth the open nature of the platform. It may be worth it to you but not to the millions of people that click yes to every dialog box. These are the same people that have ten toolbars on their web browser. Well, this HN reader for one. There are 100x more examples of decent apps being rejected from iOS than there are serious problems in Android. The people who want an app to read Hacker News are dwarfed by the amount of people who would just as easily install ransomware on their phone as they would on Windows. I’ll install almost any app on my phone/iPad/AppleTV just to try out because it can’t do any harm. I would have to treat an Android phone like I treat installing software on Windows - only from a few trusted sources. You can’t even install CloudFlare’s recently released app without it asking for microphone access and file access.
im3w1l 8y ago
There are a few things, but porn games is probably the biggest.