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> employees in hotter job markets have more leverage because they could more easily find a high paying job where they live. But... couldn't any dev easily just

> employees in hotter job markets have more leverage because they could more easily find a high paying job where they live. But... couldn't any dev easily just move to San Francisco? This isn't 1900; it's easy to move to a new city. Maybe we should start a service that lets everyone receive mail in SF, so you can put a SF address on your resume.

CorpOverreach 8y ago
Is it really that easy? I live on the east coast. My family lives within 30 minutes of me. My closest friends live within 30 minutes. Moving would require leaving that behind. That's not (emotionally) easy for myself nor my family.
- jimmy1 8y ago
  It's easy now that family life is no longer held to the same high esteem as it once was in American culture and we have traded our real, face to face, immersive, relationships for digital ones. (I've heard all the apologetics for digital relationships being "real", so you need not reply to this with them)
  - dymk 8y ago
    What a pile of absolute horse shit
    - jimmy1 8y ago
      Since this isn't being flagged for some reason I am not going to let you get away with posting a garbage useless reply for free. Depression is on the rise. Suicide is on the rise. We have all these "freedoms", society has made all this "progress" and our youth is sadder than ever. Explain? More divorces, more disconnected families, more violence. Offer your theory than the easy trope. You might have your theories, I have mine. Doesn't make it horse shit and I stand by it, so unless you have something constructive to say, you can shove it up your ass.
      - dymk 8y ago
        More unsubstantiated bullshit that doesn’t deserve a response, yet here I am anyways.
      - dang 8y ago
        Personal attacks and invective will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong or unfair another comment was. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 8y ago
      Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here and especially please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dragonwriter 8y ago
> But... couldn't any dev easily just move to San Francisco? No, someone not already working at SF wages quite likely can't easily just move to SF.
- varenc 8y ago
  Moving to SF is definitely hard and expensive...which is why larger companies regularly move new hires out to their HQ and then do all sorts of things to make moving easy. I’ve seen companies that’ll reimburse all moving expenses, offer an upfront cash moving bonus, provide temporary furnished housing for the first couple months, and, if necessary, help handle immigration and other legal details. Sometimes companies even provide a moving consultant that the new hire can delegate tasks to like hiring a moving company or arranging for their childrens’ school transfer.
goobynight 8y ago
The time of easy moves to California was decades ago. Sure, it's physically easy to travel to SF, but moving is a different beast. Not all devs are in our..."tier" so to speak. They're not picking up full relocation packages or even a few grand upon signing to make the move easier. They'll need cash in hand to get a place. Funding a move is hard enough as a new grad without many possessions. It gets even harder (unless you keep sharp enough to get paid relo) to move as you add vehicles, maybe buy instead of rent a property, and gather stuff like furniture. That's before factoring in how some people have social ties to their current town. SF is good for well-compensated mercenaries or the few lucky people that got to grow up there. I find it ironic how you point out someone else as tone deaf elsewhere in this thread.
- ashelmire 8y ago
  I'm an east coaster that moved to the west coast for 8 years as an adult - and I have a large number of friends who have moved to the bay area from the east coast. As in, I could literally name fifty of them. Is it expensive? Sure. But it's still pretty easy to move if you don't have a family tying you down. Moving anywhere is a pain, but people do it.

CorpOverreach 8y ago

Is it really that easy? I live on the east coast. My family lives within 30 minutes of me. My closest friends live within 30 minutes. Moving would require leaving that behind. That's not (emotionally) easy for myself nor my family.

jimmy1 8y ago
It's easy now that family life is no longer held to the same high esteem as it once was in American culture and we have traded our real, face to face, immersive, relationships for digital ones. (I've heard all the apologetics for digital relationships being "real", so you need not reply to this with them)
- dymk 8y ago
  What a pile of absolute horse shit
  - jimmy1 8y ago
    Since this isn't being flagged for some reason I am not going to let you get away with posting a garbage useless reply for free. Depression is on the rise. Suicide is on the rise. We have all these "freedoms", society has made all this "progress" and our youth is sadder than ever. Explain? More divorces, more disconnected families, more violence. Offer your theory than the easy trope. You might have your theories, I have mine. Doesn't make it horse shit and I stand by it, so unless you have something constructive to say, you can shove it up your ass.
    - dymk 8y ago
      More unsubstantiated bullshit that doesn’t deserve a response, yet here I am anyways.
    - dang 8y ago
      Personal attacks and invective will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong or unfair another comment was. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 8y ago
    Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here and especially please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dragonwriter 8y ago

> But... couldn't any dev easily just move to San Francisco? No, someone not already working at SF wages quite likely can't easily just move to SF.

varenc 8y ago
Moving to SF is definitely hard and expensive...which is why larger companies regularly move new hires out to their HQ and then do all sorts of things to make moving easy. I’ve seen companies that’ll reimburse all moving expenses, offer an upfront cash moving bonus, provide temporary furnished housing for the first couple months, and, if necessary, help handle immigration and other legal details. Sometimes companies even provide a moving consultant that the new hire can delegate tasks to like hiring a moving company or arranging for their childrens’ school transfer.

goobynight 8y ago

The time of easy moves to California was decades ago. Sure, it's physically easy to travel to SF, but moving is a different beast. Not all devs are in our..."tier" so to speak. They're not picking up full relocation packages or even a few grand upon signing to make the move easier. They'll need cash in hand to get a place. Funding a move is hard enough as a new grad without many possessions. It gets even harder (unless you keep sharp enough to get paid relo) to move as you add vehicles, maybe buy instead of rent a property, and gather stuff like furniture. That's before factoring in how some people have social ties to their current town. SF is good for well-compensated mercenaries or the few lucky people that got to grow up there. I find it ironic how you point out someone else as tone deaf elsewhere in this thread.

ashelmire 8y ago
I'm an east coaster that moved to the west coast for 8 years as an adult - and I have a large number of friends who have moved to the bay area from the east coast. As in, I could literally name fifty of them. Is it expensive? Sure. But it's still pretty easy to move if you don't have a family tying you down. Moving anywhere is a pain, but people do it.