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+1 for stock Android. I sure as heck don't want carrier modifications. Note to carriers: your job is radio frequencies and call routing. That's all I want you f

+1 for stock Android. I sure as heck don't want carrier modifications. Note to carriers: your job is radio frequencies and call routing. That's all I want you for. You are not a software company. It sucks to be a commodity, but it sucks more to be an anchor on an airplane, which is what you are for the quality of your phones. Give them a connection and free reign.

IgorPartola 16y ago
The question is how do you make them listen?
jordanroher 16y ago
I was under the impression that the carriers and manufacturers modified their phones so they could differentiate themselves. There's the revenue opportunities, sure, but they have to do something to stand out. Now here's the crazy part: no one is selling a device with stock Android. If your phone was straight Android 2.2, it wouldn't look like any other phone on the market. The minute Motorola or LG realize this, they get 100% of the nerd phone market.
- wmf 16y ago
  The G2 is pretty stock.
  - pkulak 16y ago
    Yeah, but totally locked down. It does look like a great phone, though.
- parbo 16y ago
  There is no need for differentiation when serving up bits and bytes. There is a need for competition on quality of service, customer support and pricing. EDIT: Clarification, I'm referring to the carriers. The manufacturers need differentiation, but would be better served doing so through hardware.
- eljaco 16y ago
  It's usually not up to Motorola or LG. It's the carriers that add (or ask to add) these additional/non-stock features. I'm curious what the state of Android is outside of the US - do carriers in other countries add the likes of V-Cast or a NASCAR app?
  - dreaming 16y ago
    In Australia, the biggest carrier Telstra generally adds a tonne of crapware, and several people I know with htc desires have links to various telstra features that are broken on the default firmware. I seem to recall the reason telstra didnt get into the iphone game until significantly after the other carriers was because of the iphone impeding sales of telstra 'services'. We also have the more budget oriented virgin mobile who have generally little to no customization depending on the phone.
minalecs 16y ago
just root and put vanilla android on yourself. I don't see what issue is.
- peregrine 16y ago
  Not possible on all phones... the g2 for instance is unrootable.
  - slmichalk 16y ago
    ...for now.
- CrazedGeek 16y ago
  Aside from (A) rooting never being supported, (B) some phones not having a hacking community around them, and (C) the lack of a vanilla ROM even for those that do have hacking communities, it's just a hassle.
- runjake 16y ago
  There aren't more than a couple phones that have a vanilla Android ROM floating around for them. Cyanogenmod and similar are far from vanilla AOSP.

IgorPartola 16y ago

The question is how do you make them listen?

jordanroher 16y ago

I was under the impression that the carriers and manufacturers modified their phones so they could differentiate themselves. There's the revenue opportunities, sure, but they have to do something to stand out. Now here's the crazy part: no one is selling a device with stock Android. If your phone was straight Android 2.2, it wouldn't look like any other phone on the market. The minute Motorola or LG realize this, they get 100% of the nerd phone market.

wmf 16y ago
The G2 is pretty stock.
- pkulak 16y ago
  Yeah, but totally locked down. It does look like a great phone, though.
parbo 16y ago
There is no need for differentiation when serving up bits and bytes. There is a need for competition on quality of service, customer support and pricing. EDIT: Clarification, I'm referring to the carriers. The manufacturers need differentiation, but would be better served doing so through hardware.
eljaco 16y ago
It's usually not up to Motorola or LG. It's the carriers that add (or ask to add) these additional/non-stock features. I'm curious what the state of Android is outside of the US - do carriers in other countries add the likes of V-Cast or a NASCAR app?
- dreaming 16y ago
  In Australia, the biggest carrier Telstra generally adds a tonne of crapware, and several people I know with htc desires have links to various telstra features that are broken on the default firmware. I seem to recall the reason telstra didnt get into the iphone game until significantly after the other carriers was because of the iphone impeding sales of telstra 'services'. We also have the more budget oriented virgin mobile who have generally little to no customization depending on the phone.

minalecs 16y ago

just root and put vanilla android on yourself. I don't see what issue is.

peregrine 16y ago
Not possible on all phones... the g2 for instance is unrootable.
- slmichalk 16y ago
  ...for now.
CrazedGeek 16y ago
Aside from (A) rooting never being supported, (B) some phones not having a hacking community around them, and (C) the lack of a vanilla ROM even for those that do have hacking communities, it's just a hassle.
runjake 16y ago
There aren't more than a couple phones that have a vanilla Android ROM floating around for them. Cyanogenmod and similar are far from vanilla AOSP.