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Both cities should pull their subsidy packages. Amazon negotiated in bad faith, under false pretenses. The conditions under which any subsidies were offered no
by imgabe 8y ago
Both cities should pull their subsidy packages. Amazon negotiated in bad faith, under false pretenses. The conditions under which any subsidies were offered no longer apply.
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoCould you state what the false pretenses were, and how those conditions no longer apply? All you have here is a dogmatic assertion with no supporting information. Often that is done by people who have strong beliefs but no basis for them, so if you have a basis, stating it can prevent you from getting lumped in with the "dogmatic unreality" people.
- imgabe 8y agoDid you read any article about this at all over the past year? The original proposal was for a single HQ2 in one city, not half of one in two cities. Are you just an Amazon shill who jumps in to try and suppress any criticism of them?
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago> Are you just an Amazon shill who jumps in to try and suppress any criticism of them? No, I'm not. Are you the kind of commenter who accuses everyone who disagrees with you of being a shill, so that you can control the conversation? (There's at least as much evidence of that than there is of me being a shill...)
- imgabe 8y agoThere have been stories about this for months. It's reasonable to assume that most people reading and commenting on them are familiar with the history of this long running story and the well publicized last minute change in the terms of the agreement by Amazon in the last week. If you are honestly unaware of this and need it explained to you, then in the future take some time to familiarize yourself with the context of what's going on or ask some questions before you jump in and start insulting people.
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoI was rather careful not to insult you. I merely said that your style resembled that of obsessive ranters and nut cases; I didn't accuse you of being one. You came at least as close to being insulting as I did. In the future, take some time to familiarize yourself with peoples' posting history before you jump in and question whether they are shills.
- imgabe 8y agoYour style resembles that of a moron. I'm not saying you are one, just that the things you say make you sound like one. See how insulting that isn't?
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoA parallel post to this one, by imgabe, has been flag-killed. While I don't agree with the post, I had to look very carefully at my history in this thread to see whether he was right in what I said. His post had enough of a basis that I think flag-killing it was unwarranted.
- imgabe 8y agoWell, I appreciate your saying so. I apologise for my part in this discussion going off the rails.
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoWell... there was probably blame enough to go around to both sides. Apology accepted... and offered in return.
- sctb 8y ago> Are you just an Amazon shill who jumps in to try and suppress any criticism of them? This breaks the guidelines, so please leave it out of your comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- drfuchs 8y agoUh, that there will only be 25,000 jobs, and not the 50,000 promised.
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoIf the subsidies are per job, is that a problem? Pay half as much for half as many jobs - seems reasonable to me. Doesn't seem like "false pretenses" in a way that materially affects the deal.
- drfuchs 8y agoIt might be nice if the subsidies were granted “per job”, but it seems as though they weren’t. Also, it’s not yet public what these cities promised, but how do you “half build” new transit infrastructure and such?
- imgabe 8y agoEven if they are "per job", the per job price was still based on a total of 50,000 jobs. If you go to Bob's widget factory and place an order for 50,000 widgets, you'll likely get a different per widget price than if you place an order for 25,000 widgets. If you say at first that you want 50,000 and Bob starts making preparations for that many, then at the last minute you say "Nah, I only want 25,000", Bob is rightfully going to be pissed and you're going to pay a higher per-widget price if your order isn't cancelled altogether.
- TheCoelacanth 8y agoRead the subsidy agreements that the cities actually put out. They were clearly aware of exactly what they were getting even if the general public was not.