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It is so ridiculous to claim individual news media accounts in China as "a major source of fake news, disinformation", when in fact the government official news

It is so ridiculous to claim individual news media accounts in China as "a major source of fake news, disinformation", when in fact the government official news media is shamelessly spreading fake news every single day on TV and newspaper, and they have the total control over how you report major events. The government controls what can be reported, how it shall and shall not be reported. You blame individual news media accounts? For example, the government is sending massive amount of people (village by village) to reeducation camps in Xinjiang province. Do you think the official news media will report any of this? Do you think any formal report from serious journalists will be allowed to appear on news media? Of course not! So yes, there are all kinds of rumors about Xinjiang in individual news media accounts. Who should we put the blame on?

echevil 8y ago
If you ever actually read the articles published from these media accounts, you'll easily see how "Not ridiculous" the claim is. (Of course there're plenty good ones, I'm not blaming all news media accounts, but there're way too many harmful ones) The problem of these media in China is not exactly the same as the those on Facebook, but it's way more common and cause lots of harm - e.g. a large portion of these articles are influencing people to buy / not buy certain product in a very problematic way. There is no reason these news media accounts should not be regulated. e.g. You should not publish fake news intentionally misleading the public. (Otherwise why not just let Russians publish whatever ads they want to influence American election whichever way they want?) In western news reports, this is of course "controlling what can be reported and what cannot", and they won't tell you the full story. I just wanted to point out, a large part of this is actually fighting a real problem for the good.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  > If you ever actually read the articles published from these media accounts, you'll easily see how "Not ridiculous" the claim is. Rather than denying they exist, they said they are hardly "major" in contrast to what the the CCP is doing, which your reply completely ignores.
  - echevil 8y ago
    > "they" said they are hardly "major"? Why would I care what "they" say if I have first hand knowledge about whether it's major or not? > For example, the government is sending massive amount of people (village by village) to reeducation camps in Xinjiang province. Do you think the official news media will report any of this? The government actually publicly addressed that a while ago and I've seen it in news. It's very different from what the western media claims of course, and it's a complicated issue like the fake news. Also, it's mostly western media that cares the most about these topics, not the "individual self media".
    - PavlovsCat 8y ago
      > Why would I care what "they" say if I have first hand knowledge about whether it's major or not? "Major" and "major in contrast" are two very different things. Why would I care about your assessment of a situation when I see how you play fast and loose here? > The government actually publicly addressed that a while ago and I've seen it in news. It's very different from what the western media claims of course, and it's a complicated issue like the fake news. It's too complicated to explain, so I take your word for it? > Also, it's mostly western media that cares the most about these topics, not the "individual self media". Any intelligent human with a backbone cares about people murdered en masse, over decades, or put into concentration camps that grow like mushroom in mere months, including people you cannot tie the shoelaces of. You don't measure the importance of this by how many people care about it (how convenient for you to claim by the way, since anyone who disagrees, might have to fear for their life), you find out the importance of a person by their stance on this, among other things. edit: I didn't mean to have a go at you. I'm kinda sorry for that, but I also have to weigh between not offending you, and not spitting on the people who get murdered, and which you downplay. Can't make everyone happy, and that's not really my fault either. I'll just note that so far you aren't really speaking for yourself, but refer to Chinese media, without even stating their explanation, and bring up "Western media". Our media don't speak for us just like your media can't speak for you. Yes, Western media also sweeps Western atrocities under the rug (though not uniformly), and that's very deplorable. That just means we're not really better, maybe even worse when it comes to wars of aggression -- but that makes none of it okay, it's not a contest.
- est 8y ago
  The way media works is you have the freedom to setup your own "media accounts" to refute things you don't agree with. Shutting down them by a government agency? Well things can go really well with this one.
linhchi 8y ago
I think that when you suppress freedom systematically, stuff find other ways to come out, and it comes out ugly. (Like when you suppress healthy sexuality). That explains the weird stuff floating around Vietnam social media (which is a smaller scale version).
paraditedc 8y ago
> when in fact the government official news media is shamelessly spreading fake news every single day on TV and newspaper I lived in China and outside China both over 10 years, and I have probably read more newspapers and watched more TV in China than you. I can safely say that your statement is false. > there are all kinds of rumors about Xinjiang in individual news media accounts There are no rumors about Xinjiang in individual news media accounts, within China, afaik. Happy to correct my understanding if you find such evidence. > Who should we put the blame on? If you talking about rumors about China outside China, I think Western media is to be blamed? Not sure.

echevil 8y ago

If you ever actually read the articles published from these media accounts, you'll easily see how "Not ridiculous" the claim is. (Of course there're plenty good ones, I'm not blaming all news media accounts, but there're way too many harmful ones) The problem of these media in China is not exactly the same as the those on Facebook, but it's way more common and cause lots of harm - e.g. a large portion of these articles are influencing people to buy / not buy certain product in a very problematic way. There is no reason these news media accounts should not be regulated. e.g. You should not publish fake news intentionally misleading the public. (Otherwise why not just let Russians publish whatever ads they want to influence American election whichever way they want?) In western news reports, this is of course "controlling what can be reported and what cannot", and they won't tell you the full story. I just wanted to point out, a large part of this is actually fighting a real problem for the good.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
> If you ever actually read the articles published from these media accounts, you'll easily see how "Not ridiculous" the claim is. Rather than denying they exist, they said they are hardly "major" in contrast to what the the CCP is doing, which your reply completely ignores.
- echevil 8y ago
  > "they" said they are hardly "major"? Why would I care what "they" say if I have first hand knowledge about whether it's major or not? > For example, the government is sending massive amount of people (village by village) to reeducation camps in Xinjiang province. Do you think the official news media will report any of this? The government actually publicly addressed that a while ago and I've seen it in news. It's very different from what the western media claims of course, and it's a complicated issue like the fake news. Also, it's mostly western media that cares the most about these topics, not the "individual self media".
  - PavlovsCat 8y ago
    > Why would I care what "they" say if I have first hand knowledge about whether it's major or not? "Major" and "major in contrast" are two very different things. Why would I care about your assessment of a situation when I see how you play fast and loose here? > The government actually publicly addressed that a while ago and I've seen it in news. It's very different from what the western media claims of course, and it's a complicated issue like the fake news. It's too complicated to explain, so I take your word for it? > Also, it's mostly western media that cares the most about these topics, not the "individual self media". Any intelligent human with a backbone cares about people murdered en masse, over decades, or put into concentration camps that grow like mushroom in mere months, including people you cannot tie the shoelaces of. You don't measure the importance of this by how many people care about it (how convenient for you to claim by the way, since anyone who disagrees, might have to fear for their life), you find out the importance of a person by their stance on this, among other things. edit: I didn't mean to have a go at you. I'm kinda sorry for that, but I also have to weigh between not offending you, and not spitting on the people who get murdered, and which you downplay. Can't make everyone happy, and that's not really my fault either. I'll just note that so far you aren't really speaking for yourself, but refer to Chinese media, without even stating their explanation, and bring up "Western media". Our media don't speak for us just like your media can't speak for you. Yes, Western media also sweeps Western atrocities under the rug (though not uniformly), and that's very deplorable. That just means we're not really better, maybe even worse when it comes to wars of aggression -- but that makes none of it okay, it's not a contest.
est 8y ago
The way media works is you have the freedom to setup your own "media accounts" to refute things you don't agree with. Shutting down them by a government agency? Well things can go really well with this one.

linhchi 8y ago

I think that when you suppress freedom systematically, stuff find other ways to come out, and it comes out ugly. (Like when you suppress healthy sexuality). That explains the weird stuff floating around Vietnam social media (which is a smaller scale version).

paraditedc 8y ago

> when in fact the government official news media is shamelessly spreading fake news every single day on TV and newspaper I lived in China and outside China both over 10 years, and I have probably read more newspapers and watched more TV in China than you. I can safely say that your statement is false. > there are all kinds of rumors about Xinjiang in individual news media accounts There are no rumors about Xinjiang in individual news media accounts, within China, afaik. Happy to correct my understanding if you find such evidence. > Who should we put the blame on? If you talking about rumors about China outside China, I think Western media is to be blamed? Not sure.