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Does anyone have any real, solid proof that Russian hacking has had significant impact in a US election?

by ng12 8y ago

HappySweeney 8y ago
Does a failure to influence the elections make their hacking ok?
- ng12 8y ago
  Kind of, mostly because I don't trust the media to differentiate between rogue actors doing some port sniffing and targeted state-sponsored hacking. For example, I'm fairly convinced most fake news is about making a quick buck, not about actually influencing the illection.
  - nbabitskiy 8y ago
    There is no doubt inside Russia, that e.g. DNC leak was a state-sponsored campaign, conducted by the guys in the same department that employed the Salisbury's killers (military intelligence). The fake news trolls all work for a private company, owned by a Putin's crony oligarch called Prigozhin, and we are way past adding "allegedly" at this point. Why are they too called "hackers" is a mistery. How would you go about making a quick buck with fake news? Betting on Trump on the eve of the elections 4 to 1 (iirc) would be more of a gambling addiction than business plan.
    - ng12 8y ago
      > https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/50... This guy claimed he was making $10-$30k a month. There was another piece I can't find right now about a couple of college kids doing something similar. Fake news is wildly profitable.
      - nbabitskiy 8y ago
        A guy claiming to be one of the biggest on the fake news market makes a rounding error of a 30-second NFL finals ad. That's all we have to know about the fake news. (Good for him, though).
4A6F686E446F65 8y ago
Doesn’t anyone remember a trove of John Podesta’s emails being dumped every time some fresh scandal about Trump breaking?
- yeahigotgoats 8y ago
  you have this completely backwards, but i dont expect you to understand that
rurban 8y ago
Only Gulliver 2 can be attributed to Russians. It had no impact at all. The DNC "hack" was an local insider whistle-blower (later killed - unconfirmed), the CIA and NSA info were also from inside whistle blowers. High impact. The Macron leaks were most likely Russian, unfortunately with zero impact. One should really look what was exposed there. Then it went from there. The Russians really should have used Wikileaks as all others did. Their own attempts were all highly unsuccessful.

Does anyone have any real, solid proof that Russian hacking has had significant impact in a US election?

by ng12 8y ago

Does anyone have any real, solid proof that Russian hacking has had significant impact in a US election?

HappySweeney 8y ago

Does a failure to influence the elections make their hacking ok?

ng12 8y ago
Kind of, mostly because I don't trust the media to differentiate between rogue actors doing some port sniffing and targeted state-sponsored hacking. For example, I'm fairly convinced most fake news is about making a quick buck, not about actually influencing the illection.
- nbabitskiy 8y ago
  There is no doubt inside Russia, that e.g. DNC leak was a state-sponsored campaign, conducted by the guys in the same department that employed the Salisbury's killers (military intelligence). The fake news trolls all work for a private company, owned by a Putin's crony oligarch called Prigozhin, and we are way past adding "allegedly" at this point. Why are they too called "hackers" is a mistery. How would you go about making a quick buck with fake news? Betting on Trump on the eve of the elections 4 to 1 (iirc) would be more of a gambling addiction than business plan.
  - ng12 8y ago
    > https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/50... This guy claimed he was making $10-$30k a month. There was another piece I can't find right now about a couple of college kids doing something similar. Fake news is wildly profitable.
    - nbabitskiy 8y ago
      A guy claiming to be one of the biggest on the fake news market makes a rounding error of a 30-second NFL finals ad. That's all we have to know about the fake news. (Good for him, though).

4A6F686E446F65 8y ago

Doesn’t anyone remember a trove of John Podesta’s emails being dumped every time some fresh scandal about Trump breaking?

yeahigotgoats 8y ago
you have this completely backwards, but i dont expect you to understand that

rurban 8y ago

Only Gulliver 2 can be attributed to Russians. It had no impact at all. The DNC "hack" was an local insider whistle-blower (later killed - unconfirmed), the CIA and NSA info were also from inside whistle blowers. High impact. The Macron leaks were most likely Russian, unfortunately with zero impact. One should really look what was exposed there. Then it went from there. The Russians really should have used Wikileaks as all others did. Their own attempts were all highly unsuccessful.