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Nothing like redirecting the conversation by implying there's "outrage" that's somehow "manufactured", yes? Particularly because it sidesteps the things the co

Nothing like redirecting the conversation by implying there's "outrage" that's somehow "manufactured", yes? Particularly because it sidesteps the things the company actually did (areas razed to the ground include 25,000 hectares of habitations in Indonesia that are home to the critically endangered orangutan) while at the same putting the blame on consumers (just do xyz, why wouldn't you). And who can forget those pesky journalists, reporting on stuff - how dare they.

isoskeles 8y ago
That company did not raze hectacres of forest. They paid another company in their supply chain to do it. IMO, this is exactly what illogical manufactured outrage looks like. We can place blame anywhere down the line: workers in Indonesia who personally work to produce palm oil; the company that hires those works; Mondelez for buying the palm oil; customers for eating Cadbury eggs. I'm being told to hold Mondelez morally responsible for the situation when they are not. They certainly have the most power to stop doing what they're doing. That doesn't stop another company from buying palm oil. Ultimately, the Indonesian people need to care enough about their orangutans to protect them. Or everyone needs to stop buying palm oil.
- nneonneo 8y ago
  "My supplier did it" is not a valid excuse for ducking responsibility. If you put the demand on your supplier, and they do an unethical thing to supply that demand, then part of the blame lies on you for not having (a) done the due diligence to ensure that your supplier was above board and (b) checking that they could, in fact, meet your demand without doing illegal or unethical things. If you have no responsibility for what your suppliers do, then you could delegate practically any negative externality of your corporate practice to your suppliers. The argument here is that Cadbury is effectively turning a blind eye (intentionally or negligently) to what their supplier is doing to meet demand. For an example of companies which actually do care about their responsibility all the way up and down the supply chain, go have a look at the Supplier Responsibility statements and reports put out by big companies like Samsung (https://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/sustainability/supply-chain/ https://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/sustainability/suppl...) and Apple (https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/).
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isoskeles 8y ago

That company did not raze hectacres of forest. They paid another company in their supply chain to do it. IMO, this is exactly what illogical manufactured outrage looks like. We can place blame anywhere down the line: workers in Indonesia who personally work to produce palm oil; the company that hires those works; Mondelez for buying the palm oil; customers for eating Cadbury eggs. I'm being told to hold Mondelez morally responsible for the situation when they are not. They certainly have the most power to stop doing what they're doing. That doesn't stop another company from buying palm oil. Ultimately, the Indonesian people need to care enough about their orangutans to protect them. Or everyone needs to stop buying palm oil.

nneonneo 8y ago
"My supplier did it" is not a valid excuse for ducking responsibility. If you put the demand on your supplier, and they do an unethical thing to supply that demand, then part of the blame lies on you for not having (a) done the due diligence to ensure that your supplier was above board and (b) checking that they could, in fact, meet your demand without doing illegal or unethical things. If you have no responsibility for what your suppliers do, then you could delegate practically any negative externality of your corporate practice to your suppliers. The argument here is that Cadbury is effectively turning a blind eye (intentionally or negligently) to what their supplier is doing to meet demand. For an example of companies which actually do care about their responsibility all the way up and down the supply chain, go have a look at the Supplier Responsibility statements and reports put out by big companies like Samsung (https://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/sustainability/supply-chain/ https://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/sustainability/suppl...) and Apple (https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/ https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/).
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