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Boeing is a company with a 100 year history and an impeccable safety record. Lion air is a budget airline of budget airlines that skimps on maintenance and was

Boeing is a company with a 100 year history and an impeccable safety record. Lion air is a budget airline of budget airlines that skimps on maintenance and was once banned by the EU from operating. Just look at their incident list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air#Incidents_and_accidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air#Incidents_and_acciden... Accident after accident. That is not to excuse anything Boeing has done, but it's easy to see why most had that reaction.

CamperBob2 8y ago
I don't know about "impeccable," but Lion reportedly kept this particular aircraft in service after previous flights experienced serious difficulties with the same subsystem. That takes a lot of the potential blame away from the manufacturer in my book.
- tmd83 8y ago
  So LionAir is definitely at some fault here. But it doesn't in general lessen Boeing's fault at to in my eyes. This could have happened on the first flight where the sensor had issue. I have no idea how common it is to have a sensor fail on a few months old plane but Boeing is damn lucky that the accident didn't happen on the first flight with sensor issue so they can't at least point to LionAir negligence. Imagine this happening on a first rate airlines and what the reaction would have been.
- markdown 8y ago
  The manufacturer gives airlines training, SOP's, manuals, etc. All the failures that occurred on previous flights were fixed according to the requirements set forth by Boeing. This happens every single day on thousands of aircraft worldwide. Problems show up, the engineers fix them, and the aircraft are returned to service. I'm not sure what you're suggesting should happen... if you want Boeing to sign-off every pitot-tube cleaning or AoA sensor replacement, most planes would be grounded waiting for Boeing to show up.
ozmaverick72 8y ago
Boeing as a company does have an excellent safety record but it has had its safety issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

CamperBob2 8y ago

I don't know about "impeccable," but Lion reportedly kept this particular aircraft in service after previous flights experienced serious difficulties with the same subsystem. That takes a lot of the potential blame away from the manufacturer in my book.

tmd83 8y ago
So LionAir is definitely at some fault here. But it doesn't in general lessen Boeing's fault at to in my eyes. This could have happened on the first flight where the sensor had issue. I have no idea how common it is to have a sensor fail on a few months old plane but Boeing is damn lucky that the accident didn't happen on the first flight with sensor issue so they can't at least point to LionAir negligence. Imagine this happening on a first rate airlines and what the reaction would have been.
markdown 8y ago
The manufacturer gives airlines training, SOP's, manuals, etc. All the failures that occurred on previous flights were fixed according to the requirements set forth by Boeing. This happens every single day on thousands of aircraft worldwide. Problems show up, the engineers fix them, and the aircraft are returned to service. I'm not sure what you're suggesting should happen... if you want Boeing to sign-off every pitot-tube cleaning or AoA sensor replacement, most planes would be grounded waiting for Boeing to show up.

ozmaverick72 8y ago

Boeing as a company does have an excellent safety record but it has had its safety issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues