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Something is clearly and obviously illegal. Nobody can say there's ambiguity about the legitimacy of these sites. Yet Cloudflare not only does nothing even when

Something is clearly and obviously illegal. Nobody can say there's ambiguity about the legitimacy of these sites. Yet Cloudflare not only does nothing even when these sites are reported to them, they help make sure the sites continue to run. Would the problem here be more clear if Cloudflare did nothing when people use them to provide hosting services for child porn sites? Why do you think it's OK for Cloudflare to decide when to ignore the law and when to do something about obviously illegal content?

eridius 8y ago
Providing services to malware sites isn't illegal. Providing services to child porn sites is. That's the distinction that Cloudflare draws.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > That's the distinction that Cloudflare draws And we free persons are at liberty to disagree with their lime. Personally, their delineation seems self-serving and marginally scummy. (The service and this app are appreciated and used.)
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    How about torrent sites? Where would you personally draw the line? It has to be drawn somewhere.
- johnklos 8y ago
  Actually, sites which claim they are one thing (Adobe, a bank's web site) when they obviously aren't are, in fact, illegal. But hey - if you want to pretend that a site which pretends to be Bank of America is somehow in some grey area, then by all means be a phishing apologist.
  - eridius 8y ago
    Sites that sell malware aren’t pretending to be Bank of America. Also, while I certainly believe that some phishing site pretending to be Bank of America should be illegal, I’m not actually sure what law that would violate. Is it actually illegal or do you just believe that it it should be? And I’m not looking for “it violates copyright/trademark” as an answer, that’s a civil issue.
laumars 8y ago
The issue here is there is not clear line for where one should start and stop moderating their own service. eg do they disallow anything illegal? What about stuff that is illegal in some countries but not others? What about stuff that is immoral but not illegal? Then who defines what is immoral and what is unpopular? Or do you then just ban anything that is also unpopular as well? There is a reason why platforms like Cloudflare, Google and ISPs are against proactively moderating their own services; from a business standpoint it's an expensive and futile task (because it's dead easy for malicious actors to set up new sites and re-abuse the aforementioned services) and from a social perspective it's not Cloudflares job as a CDN to dictate what is and isn't socially acceptable. Now just because Cloudflare have taken the decision not to police the internet that doesn't mean they cannot be trusted with your privacy. Those two points you're trying to equate are actually unrelated.

eridius 8y ago

Providing services to malware sites isn't illegal. Providing services to child porn sites is. That's the distinction that Cloudflare draws.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> That's the distinction that Cloudflare draws And we free persons are at liberty to disagree with their lime. Personally, their delineation seems self-serving and marginally scummy. (The service and this app are appreciated and used.)
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  How about torrent sites? Where would you personally draw the line? It has to be drawn somewhere.
johnklos 8y ago
Actually, sites which claim they are one thing (Adobe, a bank's web site) when they obviously aren't are, in fact, illegal. But hey - if you want to pretend that a site which pretends to be Bank of America is somehow in some grey area, then by all means be a phishing apologist.
- eridius 8y ago
  Sites that sell malware aren’t pretending to be Bank of America. Also, while I certainly believe that some phishing site pretending to be Bank of America should be illegal, I’m not actually sure what law that would violate. Is it actually illegal or do you just believe that it it should be? And I’m not looking for “it violates copyright/trademark” as an answer, that’s a civil issue.

laumars 8y ago

The issue here is there is not clear line for where one should start and stop moderating their own service. eg do they disallow anything illegal? What about stuff that is illegal in some countries but not others? What about stuff that is immoral but not illegal? Then who defines what is immoral and what is unpopular? Or do you then just ban anything that is also unpopular as well? There is a reason why platforms like Cloudflare, Google and ISPs are against proactively moderating their own services; from a business standpoint it's an expensive and futile task (because it's dead easy for malicious actors to set up new sites and re-abuse the aforementioned services) and from a social perspective it's not Cloudflares job as a CDN to dictate what is and isn't socially acceptable. Now just because Cloudflare have taken the decision not to police the internet that doesn't mean they cannot be trusted with your privacy. Those two points you're trying to equate are actually unrelated.