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USA's bombing list for the last 20 years alone speaks for itself: Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Yemen 2002 Iraq 1991-2003 (US

by raprp 8y ago

USA's bombing list for the last 20 years alone speaks for itself: Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Yemen 2002 Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis) Iraq 2003-2015 Afghanistan 2001-2015 Pakistan 2007-2015 Somalia 2007-8, 2011 Yemen 2009, 2011 Libya 2011, 2015 Syria 2014-2016

vertline3 8y ago
So what it is speaking to me is It seems there is a war against Radical religious terrorists which is stateless and more regional, and stopping dictators.
- Jerry2 8y ago
  >and stopping dictators If the US cared about stopping "dictators", why are there so many dictators allies of the US?
  - azinman2 8y ago
    Because politics and circumstance.
    - andrepd 8y ago
      Which implies that they do not care about "dictatorships".
      - azinman2 8y ago
        I think that there are strong tendencies and actions towards democracies where convienent and possible. Unfortunately the world is a messy place — ideological purity gets you no where.
        lucisferre 8y ago
        > ideological purity gets you no where. While I also disagree with the parent, these facts are not in evidence.
      - lucisferre 8y ago
        That is a bit of a simplistic conclusion. The hypocrisy is clear, but hypocrisy is not sufficient to prove that one does not care at all. What is pretty clear is that the USA takes a strategic and occasionally very partisan view when making their choices of alliances as well as their use of power and force. I'm not sure they are very unique in this respect though.
  - ekianjo 8y ago
    Even if they genuinely cared about it, 90 percents of regimes worldwide are dictatorships or authoritarian regimes. So you can not work with anyone if you have very strong principles.
- zanny 8y ago
  As long as Saudi Arabia is one of Americas "greatest" allies there is no leg to stand on arguing any aspect of US foreign policy involves a moral war against totalitarianism.
  - vertline3 8y ago
    Unlike software, the world is not binary.
- raprp 8y ago
  You mean war against radical religious terrorists and dictators that are not allies like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and etc? Countries which support the Al-Nusra front, which was affiliated to Al-Qaeda, which masterminded 9/11 an event which 90% of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia or other gulf countries and 0 from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria or Iran. The concept of righteous crusades has been around forever and it's stunning that it still works.
VonGuard 8y ago
Go back further and the US has been involved in overseas conflicts every year save for one year in the 1800's when we had a major steel strike, here.
factsaresacred 8y ago
Tell us, what territory was the US annexing in these attacks? And while they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans, what islands did they steal? Not all acts of war are the same.
- yongjik 8y ago
  US is not annexing Iraq because then US will have to grant US citizenship to Iraqis and they will be free to move to mainland US. Nobody wants that, so instead US bombs the shit out of Iraq, honors its "independence" by erecting a pro-American puppet government, and acts surprised when shit falls apart. So yeah, not all wars are the same, but people suffer all the same.
  - poof131 8y ago
    A puppet government? Hardly. We simply replaced Sunni for Shiite and slightly shifted things in a millennial old civil war. It was naive optimism of the Potomac chess players that we could reshape a country by invading it.[1] Others have mentioned the US supporting heinous countries like Saudi Arabia. This is sadly true and should stop, despite what the referenced article says about “staying engaged”. Ceasing support of tyrants and ending overtly militaristic policies is not disengaging, but reevaluating failed policies. But the US also acts through a democracy, while the countries mentioned above do not. I can criticize the stupid policies of the US in a public forum. The citizens of the countries listed above can not. Democracy is not the equivalent of an oligarchy or tyranny. The people of a country are different from the government that represents them. Unelected governments are illegitimate and a danger to the free world despite what their minions of propaganda post. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Life_in_the_Emerald_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Life_in_the_Emerald_C...
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    - raprp 8y ago
      > A puppet government? Hardly. We simply replaced Sunni for Shiite and slightly shifted things in a millennial old civil war. When I read these type of comments I get truly scared on how the lives of non-western people don't really mean anything to lots of people. There wasn't as slight shift in a conflict but an all out invasion causing hundreds of thousands of deaths in a few years. Millions if you consider the last 20 years. > But the US also acts through a democracy, while the countries mentioned above do not. Crimes committed by a democracy, a theocracy or a dictatorship are crimes all the same. That is how the rest of the world sees it and it's time for the west to start seeing it too.
hueving 8y ago
Classic whataboutism based on a false equivalence that magically appears on any thread too critical of China. This might not be a puppet but it's certainly pointless propaganda designed to shift any discussion away from China.
senorjazz 8y ago
Panama 1989 - Operation Just Cause (gotta love the operational names)
- senorjazz 8y ago
  oops morning coffee fail, that is 30 not 20

by raprp 8y ago

vertline3 8y ago

So what it is speaking to me is It seems there is a war against Radical religious terrorists which is stateless and more regional, and stopping dictators.

Jerry2 8y ago
>and stopping dictators If the US cared about stopping "dictators", why are there so many dictators allies of the US?
- azinman2 8y ago
  Because politics and circumstance.
  - andrepd 8y ago
    Which implies that they do not care about "dictatorships".
    - azinman2 8y ago
      I think that there are strong tendencies and actions towards democracies where convienent and possible. Unfortunately the world is a messy place — ideological purity gets you no where.
      - lucisferre 8y ago
        > ideological purity gets you no where. While I also disagree with the parent, these facts are not in evidence.
    - lucisferre 8y ago
      That is a bit of a simplistic conclusion. The hypocrisy is clear, but hypocrisy is not sufficient to prove that one does not care at all. What is pretty clear is that the USA takes a strategic and occasionally very partisan view when making their choices of alliances as well as their use of power and force. I'm not sure they are very unique in this respect though.
- ekianjo 8y ago
  Even if they genuinely cared about it, 90 percents of regimes worldwide are dictatorships or authoritarian regimes. So you can not work with anyone if you have very strong principles.
zanny 8y ago
As long as Saudi Arabia is one of Americas "greatest" allies there is no leg to stand on arguing any aspect of US foreign policy involves a moral war against totalitarianism.
- vertline3 8y ago
  Unlike software, the world is not binary.
raprp 8y ago
You mean war against radical religious terrorists and dictators that are not allies like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and etc? Countries which support the Al-Nusra front, which was affiliated to Al-Qaeda, which masterminded 9/11 an event which 90% of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia or other gulf countries and 0 from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria or Iran. The concept of righteous crusades has been around forever and it's stunning that it still works.

VonGuard 8y ago

Go back further and the US has been involved in overseas conflicts every year save for one year in the 1800's when we had a major steel strike, here.

factsaresacred 8y ago

Tell us, what territory was the US annexing in these attacks? And while they were saving Muslims from genocide in the Balkans, what islands did they steal? Not all acts of war are the same.

yongjik 8y ago
US is not annexing Iraq because then US will have to grant US citizenship to Iraqis and they will be free to move to mainland US. Nobody wants that, so instead US bombs the shit out of Iraq, honors its "independence" by erecting a pro-American puppet government, and acts surprised when shit falls apart. So yeah, not all wars are the same, but people suffer all the same.
- poof131 8y ago
  A puppet government? Hardly. We simply replaced Sunni for Shiite and slightly shifted things in a millennial old civil war. It was naive optimism of the Potomac chess players that we could reshape a country by invading it.[1] Others have mentioned the US supporting heinous countries like Saudi Arabia. This is sadly true and should stop, despite what the referenced article says about “staying engaged”. Ceasing support of tyrants and ending overtly militaristic policies is not disengaging, but reevaluating failed policies. But the US also acts through a democracy, while the countries mentioned above do not. I can criticize the stupid policies of the US in a public forum. The citizens of the countries listed above can not. Democracy is not the equivalent of an oligarchy or tyranny. The people of a country are different from the government that represents them. Unelected governments are illegitimate and a danger to the free world despite what their minions of propaganda post. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Life_in_the_Emerald_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Life_in_the_Emerald_C...
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  - raprp 8y ago
    > A puppet government? Hardly. We simply replaced Sunni for Shiite and slightly shifted things in a millennial old civil war. When I read these type of comments I get truly scared on how the lives of non-western people don't really mean anything to lots of people. There wasn't as slight shift in a conflict but an all out invasion causing hundreds of thousands of deaths in a few years. Millions if you consider the last 20 years. > But the US also acts through a democracy, while the countries mentioned above do not. Crimes committed by a democracy, a theocracy or a dictatorship are crimes all the same. That is how the rest of the world sees it and it's time for the west to start seeing it too.

hueving 8y ago

Classic whataboutism based on a false equivalence that magically appears on any thread too critical of China. This might not be a puppet but it's certainly pointless propaganda designed to shift any discussion away from China.

senorjazz 8y ago

Panama 1989 - Operation Just Cause (gotta love the operational names)

senorjazz 8y ago
oops morning coffee fail, that is 30 not 20