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Name me a non-obscure movie, show, or song and I’ll bet I find it on YouTube. Sure: Kill Bill (vol 1).

lovich 8y ago
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9D10D8B604D6B7EC https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9D10D8B604D6B7EC Not quite the full movie, but a substantial portion and its certainly not being used under fair use doctrine like using these clips as examples to discuss film techniques or a parody. This took all of 5 seconds to find copyrighted content on youtube
- realusername 8y ago
  It's just extracts of 3min, you cannot compare that to a full movie.
  - lovich 8y ago
    I'm not comparing it to a full movie. I am demonstrating that it is trivially easy to find copyrighted content on YouTube's platform. A list of clips like this is something that other industries/companies get sued over. If I steal your money 2% at a time, I don't get to claim that it doesn't count because each chunk wasn't the whole thing. Personally I wouldn't actually care about stuff like this, and accept the DMCA safe harbor as a valid argument to protect YouTube and similar sites. However, all of them have started to, or already been deep into, do content curation. Once you take an active role in the content available on your service I dont think you should be able to argue that you can't help what users upload. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too
    - realusername 8y ago
      > I'm not comparing it to a full movie. I am demonstrating that it is trivially easy to find copyrighted content on YouTube's platform. A list of clips like this is something that other industries/companies get sued over. If I steal your money 2% at a time, I don't get to claim that it doesn't count because each chunk wasn't the whole thing. And how do you know exactly these short clips aren't just allowed and monetized by the copyright owners? > Personally I wouldn't actually care about stuff like this, and accept the DMCA safe harbor as a valid argument to protect YouTube and similar sites. However, all of them have started to, or already been deep into, do content curation. Once you take an active role in the content available on your service I dont think you should be able to argue that you can't help what users upload. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too It's exactly what they are doing now, it's called ContentID and it sucks (as expected).
- icebraining 8y ago
  Uh, those were uploaded by Fandango, a company that sells movie tickets, and which is itself owned by NBC and Warner. It's authorized content. All you've proven is that detecting copyright infringement is actually hard and not obvious as people here are claiming.
  - lovich 8y ago
    ah, well there you go
will_brown 8y ago
Well I did disclaim except for their paid content. Yes you won’t find the full movie on YouTube but I did a search for Kill Bill and scrolled the first hundred results and about 80% are illegally pirated scenes, the full kill bill volumes 1 and 2 soundtracks were available in playlist form, hell there was even the family guy kill bill parody (another illegal copyright violation). With all the songs that’s easily over 100 copyright violations but be damed if you take away from YouTubes Movie subscriptions.
- icebraining 8y ago
  Fair enough, it hadn't show up to buy, so I thought it wasn't on YT Movies. A better example is Mulholland Drive - not sold on YT, as far as a I can tell. Yes, there are illegally pirated scenes and soundtracks, but you're assuming that companies actually wish to get them off, when in reality they upload it themselves (see the Movieclips account, which is owned by Fandango, which is itself owned by NBC and Warner). Pirated scenes and sountracks are ads for the movies, it's not in their interest to take them down.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9D10D8B604D6B7EC https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9D10D8B604D6B7EC Not quite the full movie, but a substantial portion and its certainly not being used under fair use doctrine like using these clips as examples to discuss film techniques or a parody. This took all of 5 seconds to find copyrighted content on youtube

realusername 8y ago
It's just extracts of 3min, you cannot compare that to a full movie.
- lovich 8y ago
  I'm not comparing it to a full movie. I am demonstrating that it is trivially easy to find copyrighted content on YouTube's platform. A list of clips like this is something that other industries/companies get sued over. If I steal your money 2% at a time, I don't get to claim that it doesn't count because each chunk wasn't the whole thing. Personally I wouldn't actually care about stuff like this, and accept the DMCA safe harbor as a valid argument to protect YouTube and similar sites. However, all of them have started to, or already been deep into, do content curation. Once you take an active role in the content available on your service I dont think you should be able to argue that you can't help what users upload. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too
  - realusername 8y ago
    > I'm not comparing it to a full movie. I am demonstrating that it is trivially easy to find copyrighted content on YouTube's platform. A list of clips like this is something that other industries/companies get sued over. If I steal your money 2% at a time, I don't get to claim that it doesn't count because each chunk wasn't the whole thing. And how do you know exactly these short clips aren't just allowed and monetized by the copyright owners? > Personally I wouldn't actually care about stuff like this, and accept the DMCA safe harbor as a valid argument to protect YouTube and similar sites. However, all of them have started to, or already been deep into, do content curation. Once you take an active role in the content available on your service I dont think you should be able to argue that you can't help what users upload. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too It's exactly what they are doing now, it's called ContentID and it sucks (as expected).
icebraining 8y ago
Uh, those were uploaded by Fandango, a company that sells movie tickets, and which is itself owned by NBC and Warner. It's authorized content. All you've proven is that detecting copyright infringement is actually hard and not obvious as people here are claiming.
- lovich 8y ago
  ah, well there you go

will_brown 8y ago

Well I did disclaim except for their paid content. Yes you won’t find the full movie on YouTube but I did a search for Kill Bill and scrolled the first hundred results and about 80% are illegally pirated scenes, the full kill bill volumes 1 and 2 soundtracks were available in playlist form, hell there was even the family guy kill bill parody (another illegal copyright violation). With all the songs that’s easily over 100 copyright violations but be damed if you take away from YouTubes Movie subscriptions.

icebraining 8y ago
Fair enough, it hadn't show up to buy, so I thought it wasn't on YT Movies. A better example is Mulholland Drive - not sold on YT, as far as a I can tell. Yes, there are illegally pirated scenes and soundtracks, but you're assuming that companies actually wish to get them off, when in reality they upload it themselves (see the Movieclips account, which is owned by Fandango, which is itself owned by NBC and Warner). Pirated scenes and sountracks are ads for the movies, it's not in their interest to take them down.